hmlove1218
Well-Known Member
Ha! That video.. Honestly IMO he deserved that. Couldn't even show the proper respect to his opponent in the beginning.. Very disrespectful not to bow to your opponent and to shake with one hand.
I watched a few painful moments - and also voted it down.Oh.
My.
God.
She filled the mold halfway with glycerine ...
I was going to write a rant - I settled for voting it down.
People will almost never change their minds. Once they "learn" something, that's it, there is no amount of fact or evidence that will sway them. That is the problem with so many things on the internet. If a beginning soapmaker reads that you should use a specific oil as a superfat in CP soap, then use that method for a period of time, you will have a very hard time convincing them that they are wasting their time. That probably plays a part in the MP vs CP wars, wherever you started and what you "learned" in the beginning dicates the attitude about the process. Same with testing pH in general. Well, the person I learned from used strips to test every batch, and I have always tested every batch, that's how I know my soap is safe. Once the mind is made up, don't bother trying to confuse them with facts.
Testing the PhMy prediction : Not only will he not " eat crow" but he will prove that most people do not know how to properly use a PH meter.
Sadly the people he proves wrong will still be adamant that their soap is PH neutral.
I'll be interested to see the result.
Testing the Ph
Testing pH in cold process soap is unnecessary, including the silly tongue test. Any scientist knows it'sMy prediction : Not only will he not " eat crow" but he will prove that most people do not know how to properly use a PH meter.
Sadly the people he proves wrong will still be adamant that their soap is PH neutral.
I'll be interested to see the result.
Testing the pH of cold process soap is completely unnecessary. Trying to manipulate it's pH will change what it is. You never have to test it in any way.Susan (swiftcraftymonkey) has taken as much or more fire on this topic as Dunn has. I gather there are a number of soapers who passionately support the soaper making the claim of having made a "pH 7 soap", but no one in that camp can provide the method by which this particular soap can be made.
For those wanting to know what the debate is all about, start here:
http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.ca/2011/12/doves-beauty-barjust-few-thoughts.html (look for the long discussion in the comments between Susan and "Lady Marah")
More:
http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.ca/2015/02/chemistry-thursday-all-about-acids.html
http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/2015/02/we-have-interesting-challenge-for-all.html
Even SMF has had some sideline involvement in this controversy:
http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=48250 (look for comments by "Lady of 4")
http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=43328
Lady Marah's blog:
http://whitetiger0603.blogspot.ca/2014/09/the-sapnoifier-magazine-rebuttal.html
I am curious to see if Lady Marah aka Lady of 4 will accept Dunn's gauntlet.
@Bronxboyz, this was a really old thread, but it was really fun to re-read. Does anyone know if any of those people (cough, numbskulls, cough) actually submitted their PH neutral "soap" samples in the Dunn contest? I assume not, since as far as I know there have been no ground-breaking developments in the essential nature of soap in the last 10 years, But it would have been fun to see Kevin Dunn announce the results, even if it was calling them out for not submitting any entries.I agree!
IIRC, no one did. Marah (who I think was Lady of 4 here on SMF) put her musings only on her blog after that, rather than argue her case in public forums or on other people's blogs.....Does anyone know if any of those people (cough, numbskulls, cough) actually submitted their PH neutral "soap" samples in the Dunn contest?. .
...Testing the pH of cold process soap is completely unnecessary. Trying to manipulate it's pH will change what it is. You never have to test it in any way....
I don't think I would take anyone seriously if they use "welp" twice in the first paragraph of their blog. Sorry, I'm judgy like that.
There is no commonly agreed definition of "neutral" in the handcrafted soap making community so, no, that's not better.Ok, here's my first post. Its probably better to say a neutral soap rather than a pH 7 soap. After all, what is a pH 7 soap? Is it pH 7.0? 7.1? 7.2? 6.8? 6.9? Which leads me to ask why it matters that much. But I'm new here, so what do I know? So long as it passes the taste test it's good for me.
Strictly speaking, pH 7.0 is neutral. Anything above or below is basic or acidic, respectively. ...
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