penelopejane
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To me it sounds like a mismeausre somewhere.Less batter than normal.
It was just a two bar batch in cavities. One bar was bout 1/4 inch low.
To me it sounds like a mismeausre somewhere.Less batter than normal.
It was just a two bar batch in cavities. One bar was bout 1/4 inch low.
Hi RDak - there are two Kiwis now, so you need to be specificKiwi: If you don't mind, please repeat what calculator you use for the soy wax you use. (IIRC, you use 415 soy wax?)
I went back to see if you do use 20 percent soy wax in your recipes as I remembered it to make sure.
Do you use the Soapbee calculator and the "fully hydrogenated soybean oil" category when calculating the recipe?
Thanks for repeating this for me.
there are two Kiwis now
I just saw this after my question! oops. Going to search for that calculator now!Hi RDak - there are two Kiwis now, so you need to be specific
I used Soap Calc up until recently and I have switched to the SMF's own calculator. I use the 'fully hydrogenated' option. Yes, I usually use 20% of soy wax 415.
Yeah, sorry about that, poor planning on my part Everyone knows you're the better one!Hi RDak - there are two Kiwis now, so you need to be specific
Kiwi: If you don't mind, please repeat what calculator you use for the soy wax you use. (IIRC, you use 415 soy wax?)
I went back to see if you do use 20 percent soy wax in your recipes as I remembered it to make sure.
Do you use the Soapbee calculator and the "fully hydrogenated soybean oil" category when calculating the recipe?
they all have the same sap value (193) as the hydrogenation process does not affect the saponification value. the different options change the fatty acid profile.Yeah, sorry about that, poor planning on my part Everyone knows you're the better one!
I'm using Soapee (and double check with SoapCalc.net to be sure no typos). In my experience so far, they all come up with the same result so use whichever you prefer.
I think you'll find that both Soy wax, fully hydrogenated or Soybean, 27.5% hydrogenated have very similar SAP values so will give about the same NaOH weight, it is the recipe properties that differ.
I've just made soap with a different recipe, this time using 10% soy wax 415, will keep you all posted!
I use quite a bit of soy wax for my business and have fatty acid break downs of most of the soy waxes commonly used for soap making. Here is the main issue with using candle wax in soap: you do not know the exact fatty acid make up and have to approximate it in a calculator. Whatever you use in the calculator, the saponification value is approximately 192.
Going off of my phone calls with Golden Brands reps, I can definitely can say that 415 is very close to the fatty acid make up of 27% hydrogenated oil with a slightly higher hydrogenation % to about 30 (previously stated above). Is it exact? no. Is it the closest option in a lye calculator? yes. The only important factor is that the two have a similar fatty acid make up so your calculator will be as accurate as possible for the different fatty acid percentages. The intended use is irrelevant. In fact, soy wax is manufactured for candles, food, and industry (mainly lubricants) so you will of course have food shortening in the calculator.
In addition, many candle waxes have been interesterified so the melting point and how hard the material is does NOT reflect the fatty acids. So you can buy multiple waxes with different melting points that make different candles, that make the chemically same soap.
Yes, please.. It would give me a starting point. I'm glad to know it, at the very least, works
I'm slow but I do get back on ( squirrel!) topic.
Both 415 and 444 soaps lather and clean the same as far as I can tell. I did use different scents so the one with lemongrass EO may be just a little softer.
Recipe is
30% lard
20% soy wax
15% olive oil
15% shea butter
15% coconut oil 5% castor oil
lye discount was 5% for these (SF)
I use a whopping 2% sodium citrate for my hard water as well (no play on words intended).
You are welcome to use or modify that recipe as you wish. It's just what I did for the experiment.
I am a little tempted to make a batch that's 100% soy and put wicks in it...
as far as i know that is not in production. It is also somewhat unnecessary as soy wax is washed and tested free of all DNA and other chemicals. Glyophosphate also breaks down in water.Has anyone found any organic non GMO soy wax yet?
LolI'm slow but I do get back on ( squirrel!) topic.
Both 415 and 444 soaps lather and clean the same as far as I can tell. I did use different scents so the one with lemongrass EO may be just a little softer.
Recipe is
30% lard
20% soy wax
15% olive oil
15% shea butter
15% coconut oil 5% castor oil
lye discount was 5% for these (SF)
I use a whopping 2% sodium citrate for my hard water as well (no play on words intended).
You are welcome to use or modify that recipe as you wish. It's just what I did for the experiment.
I am a little tempted to make a batch that's 100% soy and put wicks in it...
Has MMS got back to you yet, Dean?I found this...
https://www.thesage.com/catalog/products/Soybean-Oil-(hydrogenated).html
I've requested details.
Has MMS got back to you yet, Dean?
I don't like the MMS calculator because it doesn't give me any information about the soap properties and when I was new, those ranges for water and SL were just too confusing. Plus it doesn't allow for as many different oils as are available on some other lye calculators. But that is beside the point.
I also don't purchase from them because they don't provide a link to any data sheets for many of their products. I think that's a poor way to run a supplier business. But if they have good customer service and provide requested information, I may re-think that.
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