A gift

[squidstings]

I don't believe in the term 'conditioning' when it comes to soap. Those were my 2 cents about soap with cleansing number of 24 being theoretically too harsh, as mentioned earlier in the thread. My theory is it shouldn't if it's with FCO instead of regular CO. There are still a lot of contradictions in the database of the calculators we use, and the supposed qualities of a bar are subject to interpretation.


'"Soap is soap" it cleans...That might explain "cleansing". Would be a nice, simple, explanation. I can dream'

While all properly made soap cleans, some bars are more stripping than others. So it makes sense to say that some clean more. The cleansing number in the calculator is there for a reason. While I don't mind soap high in lauric/myristic (with CO as high as 33% of oil weight, or even 100% with high SF), there are people whose skin is sensitive and doesn't react well to CO even at 15%. So that's something to consider.


'I find info like "i got this result..." FAR more valuable and reliable. Everyone I've spoken to, who knows chemistry, keeps saying that polarity should be a problem for me, after I've already shared anecdotes about years of successful incorporation of colloidal silver, and more recently gold.'

To me, adding gold to soap is the same as adding silver to toothpaste and diamonds and rubies to shampoo. To those who claim otherwise and see actual benefits, I say 'placebo'.

Disregarding superfats and post trace a dditives that aren't bound up by saponification... If one recipe can "strip" nutrients from the skin, why couldn't other recipes give nutrients to the skin?

Since you bring up "silver in toothpaste" after experiencing the type of oral health from both commercial products compared to simple distilled water with colliodal silver in it, post buckle bar damage... Well, I just hope your armchair is REALLY comfy! But This isn't an oral health thread.

 

[Ekuzo]

Disregarding superfats and post trace a dditives that aren't bound up by saponification... If one recipe can "strip" nutrients from the skin, why couldn't other recipes give nutrients to the skin?

Online calculators disregard superfat (among other things), that's why I said to always take what they say with a grain of salt. After trace, only a small % of the saponification process is complete - adding stuff after trace doesn't mean it will be safe and unaltered once the soap is ready, or even some time after the cut and into the curing. Even stuff added after HP cook is not safe - ions move around and switch places within the seemingly solid structure of the bar, fragrances morph, herbal additives oxidize, soap scum forms if the bar gets in touch with hard water, etc., etc... Even if a good % of the additives do survive unchanged (highly unlikely), their amount will still be too little to have visible therapeutic effect, since soap is a wash-off product. Putting EO's or any additive in soap can't be further away from topical application when it comes to results.

Since you bring up "silver in toothpaste" after experiencing the type of oral health from both commercial products compared to simple distilled water with colliodal silver in it, post buckle bar damage... Well, I just hope your armchair is REALLY comfy! But This isn't an oral health thread.

Thank you for being concerned about me, I'm touched! Most of the cleaning effect when you brush your teeth comes from, well, the brush itself. At this point, you can easily brush with plain water and it will still be better than the store bought fluoride-based toothpaste, because it's the worst you can get with your money. Or, you can ask Jack where you can purchase some pixie dust and be like 'Yay, I found my panacea'

 

[squidstings]

Online calculators disregard superfat (among other things), that's why I said to always take what they say with a grain of salt. After trace, only a small % of the saponification process is complete - adding stuff after trace doesn't mean it will be safe and unaltered once the soap is ready, or even some time after the cut and into the curing. Even stuff added after HP cook is not safe - ions move around and switch places within the seemingly solid structure of the bar, fragrances morph, herbal additives oxidize, soap scum forms if the bar gets in touch with hard water, etc., etc... Even if a good % of the additives do survive unchanged (highly unlikely), their amount will still be too little to have visible therapeutic effect, since soap is a wash-off product. Putting EO's or any additive in soap can't be further away from topical application when it comes to results.

As with the "polar" issues, what I've witnessed first hand contradicts with most of what I've been told should happen. I only use the charts as a loose guide anyways. The MCT oil was chosen purely for a little more hardness/durability. More than one grain of salt in my considerations lol

It's pretty clear that nourishment/medications can be absorbed through the skin. The human body is a 24/7 cradle to grave chemical process. Our simple cells can pick atoms off molecules at will. Something we complicated/intelligent beings haven't figured out yet. Different oils have different atomic structures to interact with the cellular processes. Going back to disregarding superfat and additives, The simple fact that soaps made with different oils affect the skin differently is proof that our dermal cell processes can be affected through soap. If something can be taken, something can be given. In my observations, most, if not all, things have functionality in both directions.

I agree that not all the superfat/additives are "safe", devaluing the total additives somewhat, however, are you suggesting that none of it will be available for the living cells to process?

Thank you for being concerned about me, I'm touched! Most of the cleaning effect when you brush your teeth comes from, well, the brush itself. At this point, you can easily brush with plain water and it will still be better than the store bought fluoride-based toothpaste, because it's the worst you can get with your money. Or, you can ask Jack where you can purchase some pixie dust and be like 'Yay, I found my panacea'

When I grew up it was "sugar". Now it's the "bacteria" that feed of sugar. Where would the dental industry be if kids were taught a simple alkaline water rinse? Neanderthals didn't pop into existence with toothbrushes and dental schools. But Colloidal Silver was the anti-biotic/viral (per the FDA, and centuries of documented history) before our modern, super-bug causing wonders.

Thing about placebos.. they get people cured. Even if just the power of the mind... placebo inclusion does trigger a healing result.