Unusual „glycerin” problem/INCI

[Twiggy]

If we are talking about SA Lindy, I struggle with thoughts if I should contact Scott and see if it would be possible to get his SA… I really wonder if it could work for me….

 

[jade-15]

If you sell online, you could use an explanation like this seller does - stating that the glycerin in soap is naturally formed during soap making and good for your skin.

http://www.madeit.com.au/Main/Item?itemId=901112

 

[Lindy]

Twiggy Scott is worth contacting - he will tell you straight up if he can't help you.

Jade great idea!

 

[pamielynn]

Thanks for clarifying - but do you have to test each soap batch to ensure that it is completely free of lye and you have that exact amount of glycerin?

 

[Twiggy]

Jade, Lindy - thank you Ladies for answer! I will be definitely contacting Scott in that case! Will let you all know how it goes!

 

[coffeetime]

Actually there is - for every gram of lye you use you get back .7 grams of glycerin. This is according to a Safety Assessor in the EU.

Each country has its own regulations - in the USA pretty much anything goes, but in Canada we have very definite regulations on labeling soap and as I stated you are required to put what the ingredients are in the completed item and in the case of soap there is no lye left so it is not listed. Instead we list everything using INCI which covers the saponification process. Sodium Olivate literally means Olive Oil Soap.

Lindy, I have been all over those labelling regulations and did not find that stated anywhere. Where did you find the regulation that end-of-process ingredients are the way to list?

 

[Lindy]

Coffeetime - of course the site is down and I can't access all the documents right now. I know that I read it in the labeling section but I will have to search to find it again. They want the ingredients that are present in the final product.

 

[Lindy]

Thanks for clarifying - but do you have to test each soap batch to ensure that it is completely free of lye and you have that exact amount of glycerin?

No you don't. If the soap doesn't zap it is safe. The pH strips don't work worth something or other on soap so you won't get an accurate reading from them. The best test is the tongue test.

 

[Lindy]

Coffeetime - If you have a copy of Labelling Etiquette in section 2.1 it reads:

INGREDIENT - Subsection 2(1) of the Cosmetic Regulations (Food and Drugs Act) - An ingredient means any substance that is one of more components of a cosmetic and includes colouring agents, botanicals, fragrance and flavour, but does not include substances that are used in the preparation of the product but that are not present in the final product as a result of the chemical process.

This would apply to saponification.

 

[coffeetime]

Thanks Lindy. I even remember reading that section but somehow it didn't register. Could have been because it was 2:30 in the morning. Boy those CNF's are a PITA. They tell you to list INCI but then don't recognize the INCI, only the common name. And the PDF form only let me type one letter at a time- any faster and it wouldn't register. A major exercise in frustration.

 

[Lindy]

LOL - I know but I sure like having my CNF # right away.... AND we have it better than the EU they have to submit copies of the SA, label and I forget but I think a bunch more stuff....

 

[coffeetime]

True. Could be worse.

 

[Lindy]

Let's hope it does become worse because they are in discussions (Canada - EU) on free trade....

 

[coffeetime]

LOL - I know but I sure like having my CNF # right away.... AND we have it better than the EU they have to submit copies of the SA, label and I forget but I think a bunch more stuff....

Lindy, do you put your reg. # on your packaging? Or is that necessary at all?

 

[soap_rat]

I'm just learning about cosmetics, why is glycerin a bad ingredient in creams? I thought I'd seen it listed as an option when making formulas on sites such as swiftmonkey's. (I could be wrong). Please educate me!

 

[Lindy]

Not required coffeetime

 

[coffeetime]

I'm just learning about cosmetics, why is glycerin a bad ingredient in creams? I thought I'd seen it listed as an option when making formulas on sites such as swiftmonkey's. (I could be wrong). Please educate me!

Soap_rat, I think it might be because it could come from animal fat and in most products you wouldn't know the source. The EWG lists it as an issue put forward by PETA. There are a lot of vegans out there, to whom that possibility would be horrifying.

 

[Lindy]

The other thing I've read is that glycerin can cause blackheads.... but the vegan comment by Coffeetime is quite correct as well.

 

[Twiggy]

Glycerin from plant and animals fat would be not so bad at all, as the same one we can find in plant and lard, tallow … soap. But gly. can be also derive from biodiesel production – so unless you absolutely sure the source you can use with clear conscience. From trusted supplier should be no problem thou

 

[Lindy]

Ahhh I hadn't thought of that Twiggy...