That's why I didn't understand. Lol. And I kinda still don't. *Smacks self in the face* can I go by ppo or is there a reason to go by water weight? And if going by water weight, would I do a tsp/tbsp for every oz water ? I think my newness in soap making is shining brightly on this one.Here ya go sweets.. Quoted from a couple of posts above. I measured by total amount of water though, not PPO. Somewhere above (or maybe in her own threads) Misschief also mentions her amount.
Soapzoom mentions what she thought to try for CP too, if that helps
I did it by water coz it was easier for me lol, especially when I used to wing it haha.That's why I didn't understand. Lol. And I kinda still don't. *Smacks self in the face* can I go by ppo or is there a reason to go by water weight? And if going by water weight, would I do a tsp/tbsp for every oz water ? I think my newness in soap making is shining brightly on this one.
@Dawni
Pics of my triple rice soap. Thanks @Dawni I'm excited for these. Divided base into 2 parts: and used moraccan red clay for one part and "naked" base with poppy seeds for some extras visual appeal. Time to let them cure!I did it by water coz it was easier for me lol, especially when I used to wing it haha.
You may be overthinking it too, happens to us all. Decide what amount of water you're comfortable with mixing lye in, and use puree for the rest. That's what I did haha. I'm sure you can translate that to PPO if you're willing to do the math
You can try anything - if you're OK with 1:1 lye/water and use rice puree for the rest go for it. I didn't coz I'm chicken lol. If you'd rather use minimal puree I don't foresee any issues either. If you like your recipe already, all the rice additives are just going to give your soap a little more oomph.
The reason I added it to the oils is so I can stick blend it further, in case there are bits of solid rice left - you don't want those in your soap lol - and also with that much starch in your lye water who knows what can happen (haven't tried lol)
Let us know
Double Rice Olive Oil 19.62%; Avocado Oil 12%; Sunflower Oil 9.86%; Rice Congee (water substitute) 9.23%; Coconut Oil, 76 deg 8.62%; Palm Oil 8.62%; Rice purée (use SB) 6.21%; Soy Wax, GW415 6.15%; Castor Oil 2.83%; Unknown percentage: Vegetable Glycerin (mixed with colorants) | Triple Rice Rice Bran Oil, HO (Riceland) 19.36%; Palm Oil 12.9%; Coconut Oil, 76 deg 9.03%; Cocoa Butter 7.74%; Soy Wax, GW415 6.45%; Shea Butter 3.87%; Palm Kernel Oil Flakes, hydrogenated 3.23%; Rice Powder 2.15%; Rice purée (use SB) 2.15%; Rice Congee (water substitute) 2.15%; Castor Oil 1.94%; |
I finally got around to making Rice Soap, CP method. I wanted to do the Triple Rice, but it ended up being Double Rice, because I had already masterbatched the soft oils in the recipe and didn't want to re-calculate the formula for additional oil.
I used Rice Congee (a thick rice water drink I make for personal consumption) and Puréed overcooked rice (left over from the congee making. I have to say my Stick Blender does a much better job of puréeing than my Magic Bullet used to do (I gave it to my DIL anyway, because her's was wearing out & I don't use mine very often.)
My decision to mix all the liquid, except for the lye solution, into the oils & SB them to emulsion was a good one, I think. Besides the fact that the rice purée was almost as thick as set jello, bringing the oils mixture to emulsion first was really pretty cool looking. Clear oils became a lovely creamy emulsion. Then I mixed in my masterbatch lye solution, again mixing to emulsion. Then separated the batter out for the colorants. I had SO much time to work, it was wonderful.
So it's in the oven CPOPing right now after a brief period out of the oven because Hubby wanted to bake some bread. (I did not detect any soap fragrance in the baked bread, so that's good.)
So Dawni, you say your Triple Rice soap is best after an 8 week cure, right? Our recipes are quite different, though, so I will need to judge for myself, anyway. I was going for a slow moving recipe so I would have lots of time for swirls and I got that in spite of the thickness of my water replacement. So I am happy to find out, the thick purée and congee had no apparent impact on the fluidity of my batter. I am looking forward to seeing how this turns out.
Oh, other additives in this batch: cornsilk (in the masterbatch lye); EDTA (chelator); ROE (antioxidant); Sodium Lactate.
Next time I make rice soap, I will use a formula with more hard oils; this one was only 36% hard oils, not counting the CO (which is so soluble, I exclude it because it shortens the life of the bar.)
Yeah... I noticed my soaps are all better with minimum 8 weeks. I wonder if it's the low coconut I always use....
For my triple rice, the lather becomes better, for the rest that's when it's hard enough for me. My recipe for this though, is my hardest soap even only after a week lol
I had some oil separation, which measured about 1/2 - 3/4 cups of oil with a bit of cloudy gritty looking sediment on the bottom of the cup, which I conclude was from the rice purée. I attribute it to too much added glycerin when my soap colorants were too thick, so I added a couple of drops to each, but probably overdid it with the TD & one of the others. Or I wasn't at a stable emulsion, although it sure looked like it all the way through the finished pour. Or it overheated in the oven (after all Hubby did decide to bake some bread & he may have started the pre-heat process before removing it from the oven, and just didn't want to tell me.) Or a combination of all those things.
Well, anyway, I cut it into bars, got some photos on my phone, then cut it up into cubes & re-batched it in my crockpot, so now it's HP method. But the glitzy green neon and and radically reddish neon (really a very bright pink), muddies the purple vibrance and turned the purple muddier. I filled the heart in the middle of one of my Texas shaped soaps & let it sit while waiting to see if it would harden up more than it had before so I could decide if I had to mix in another new batch of soap to harden this re-batch. I was satisfied it was firming up sufficiently.
To make this now single color soap into an acceptable lavender shade, I added some extra TD and with my SB thoroughly mixed it in before molding again. It bubbled quite nicely during washing up, so I am confident it will give me good bubbles after the cure. But I'll just have to keep an eye on it and make sure it hardens up as much as I'd like.
I guess I will stop using glycerin for mixing colors. This is the second time this has happened while using it in this way.
I used Bob's Red Mill rice powder, but at such a small amount (only 2.15% of the total recipe) so I wasn't expecting it to be so rough on my skin. And I also used far less puréed rice (1/3rd less than in the previous Double Rice soap), but it was the same consistancy as in the previous soap.
No exfoliation in mine.Will anyone else please share if you or your users sense an exfoliating texture when rice or rice flour is in recipe? I wonder if this is limited to the rice flour and not the homemade rice slurry. Maybe using only the rice soak/cook liquid (or rice starch??) as an alternative while still achieving results.
This is a wonderful development, thank you Dawni and others for sharing.
Cheers.
Hi Earlene, my first thought when I saw that rice flour was included in recipes was that the rice flour may have an exfoliating effect if it survives the cook, which is just fine if this is the intention. Is this what you mean by rough?
Will anyone else please share if you or your users sense an exfoliating texture when rice or rice flour is in recipe? I wonder if this is limited to the rice flour and not the homemade rice slurry. Maybe using only the rice soak/cook liquid (or rice starch??) as an alternative while still achieving results.
So to address nativedan's question, yes, that is what I meant by too rough. However, the soap was not made HP, so it was not a 'survives the cook' situation. I made this soap with the CP method. Regardless, I still think it would be too rough on my skin had I done it via HP. I have done many HP soaps and even colloidal oatmeal results in graininess in soap that feels rough (exfoliating) on my skin.
USA Rice Flour!! YES! Misschief - what is a reasonable price for this rice flour? I'd like to order some for soaping and for making (edible) rice noodles and will have to purchase it online.My Triple Rice soap is as smooth as silk. I feel absolutely no graininess to it at all. Like Dawni, the rice flour I use is very fine, almost the texture of regular wheat flour. This is the brand I use.
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However, the soap was not made HP, so it was not a 'survives the cook' situation. I made this soap with the CP method.
No exfoliation in mine.
The rice flour I use looks very similar to my kaolin actually.. Just a different shade of white. Maybe if it were a coarser grind?
My Triple Rice soap is as smooth as silk. I feel absolutely no graininess to it at all. Like Dawni, the rice flour I use is very fine, almost the texture of regular wheat flour. This is the brand I use.
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I think rice starch would work just fine but keep in mind that the rinse water, as well as the cooking water, will have rice starch in it. It's what makes the lye water thick, if you're using it to dissolve the lye.Thanks for the clarification regarding the process.
Different grind may be the detail. The rice flour I use on my my baking stone has the texture of fine sand between the fingers, not powdery soft like clay. I purchased it long ago from a bulk container at the grocery store so it's unclear what the brand/type is.
Cool, thanks for the tip! I will check this out.
I asked for details because I am curious if only using fine rice flour (and maybe also rice starch) will achieve similar results. It isn't holistic like a triple rice recipe, but in the interest of streamlining formulation it may be an acceptable option. I will report back when I am able to test.
Oh gosh, Kim, I have no idea what I paid for it. I picked it up at my local grocery store a couple of years ago. That box is still more than 3/4 full.USA Rice Flour!! YES! Misschief - what is a reasonable price for this rice flour? I'd like to order some for soaping and for making (edible) rice noodles and will have to purchase it online.
Correct me if my understanding is wrong...I asked for details because I am curious if only using fine rice flour (and maybe also rice starch) will achieve similar results. It isn't holistic like a triple rice recipe, but in the interest of streamlining formulation it may be an acceptable option. I will report back when I am able to test.
Correct me if my understanding is wrong...
I use rice flour/powder in ALL my soaps... What makes this one different is the addition of the other rice stuff. In none of the soaps can you feel the rice powder (unless of course I do add something else that's coarser).
As for the other qualities.... I once tested a recipe with only one each of the rice additives. The aim was to try n see which made the triple rice one my most fluid HP soap though, not anything else.
I will say this - using one alone results in a bar that's nothing like the one that used all 3 lol - not hardness, lather, not even in terms of fluidity.
I did notice though, that these particular test soaps have been around for more than a year with no sign of DOS, compared to some other "regular" test soaps (without starch in any form) made around the same time. Is it the rice? Can't say......
I love using rice in one form or another in soap! I use it in most all of my bars
I decided to add Mochiko sweet rice flour to my subscription order at Amazon. I will try it in soap and see if my skin does or does not find it to be exfoliating.My Triple Rice soap is as smooth as silk. I feel absolutely no graininess to it at all. Like Dawni, the rice flour I use is very fine, almost the texture of regular wheat flour. This is the brand I use.
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