Olive Oil vs Extra Virgin OO

[mx5inpenn]

No matter how you choose to look at it, you are saying your treat their illnesses with EVOO. That is you "medicating" them.

I would say that is a treatment, not medicating. Tylenol (which is probably far more dangerous) *is* medicating. Is it wrong to give a dose of tylenol for a fever or use sweet oil for an earache or have a child gargle salt water for a sore throat without consulting a doctor? No. So why should someone be called out/attacked for the equivalent? Imho it really doesn't belong on a soap forum in the first place, but tolerance of differing opinions and beliefs belong everywhere.

 

[Dahila]

I would say that is a treatment, not medicating. Tylenol (which is probably far more dangerous) *is* medicating. Is it wrong to give a dose of tylenol for a fever or use sweet oil for an earache or have a child gargle salt water for a sore throat without consulting a doctor? No. So why should someone be called out/attacked for the equivalent? Imho it really doesn't belong on a soap forum in the first place, but tolerance of differing opinions and beliefs belong everywhere.

No one is attacking one here,

 

[mx5inpenn]

EVOO is just an olive oil and mostly it is mixed with sunflower oil.

This is correct for most all evoo imported to the US. Imports arent tested. If you want 100% evoo here, you are better off buying one pressed in the US, find one with a California olive oil council seal.

 

[Susie]

I would say that is a treatment, not medicating. Tylenol (which is probably far more dangerous) *is* medicating. Is it wrong to give a dose of tylenol for a fever or use sweet oil for an earache or have a child gargle salt water for a sore throat without consulting a doctor? No. So why should someone be called out/attacked for the equivalent? Imho it really doesn't belong on a soap forum in the first place, but tolerance of differing opinions and beliefs belong everywhere.

I made a simple statement of fact after reading what hud does to treat her children for illnesses. I wanted people to understand that such treatment is not something considered appropriate medical treatment in the US. I am a nurse. We were taught what are mandatory reporting situations. That would be one. I really made the statement to warn other people. I did not bring any sort of medical advice to a soaping forum, and the only reason I quoted her was because she asked what sort of medical treatment I was referring to.

 

[Nehlena]

 

[SoapBro]

SoapBro, do you mean by regular olive oil is the yellow or light yellow color oil that usually labeled as Olive Olive only?
Why some times the same quality comes with dark color? I used EVOO all my life, and when I started making soap my soap makers friends referred me to pomace oo, but I am not familiar with the quality in between.
Thank you in advance.

I've never in my life seen olive oil that is yellow, olive oil is NOT yellow, there must be some other oil mixed in there, regardless of quality, pure olive oil, even if not extra virgin is green.

Soapbro what planet are you living on? Have you not read about adding sunflower oil to EVOO to make the quantity. Italy and Spain a huge OO producers started to do it for some time. Anyway I stopped believing in EXTRA and Organic a long time ago. Where is money the faking exist .

hud your practice is more like from 14 century and it would not approved in Europe either. The rules about safety of children are kind of the same Europe or Us or Canada.

i'm living on earth, not sure where you're living, i'm more then aware that there are fake EVOOs that are actually blends, but to go and say that most EVOOs are fake blends like you did is just crazy talk, also EVOO is not the same as just plain olive oil in terms of quality, EVOO is the first Cold pressing of the olives, regular olive oil can be heated and processed further.

I dont know where you're from but here we take our olive oil industry Very seriously, we have few brands that are known for having a lower quality oil because we have a regulatory body that maintains quality, on top of that we as consumers get the oils tested regularly and the results are online for everyone to see.

if you guys as consumers allow your marketplace to be flooded with crap product thats your business but that will never fly here.

 

[Nehlena]

if you guys as consumers allow your marketplace to be flooded with crap product thats your business but that will never fly here.

SoapBro, if someone is not from a country that PRODUCES olive oil, well it is very normal that consumers cannot taste the difference... i am from the mediterraneo and opening my door and getting to the open air, olive oil trees I mainly see -along with pine. So, for me, it is not that easy to full me, but still...
The other day I purchased cold pressed EVOO and was very green... this is what we call immature here- tastes SOOO good raw on salads etc. and I would like to try to make a batch with it...

PLEASE... someone give me this answer... when you make a EVOO how much would you SF? And I ask because it conditions alot as an oil...

 

[SoapBro]

SoapBro, if someone is not from a country that PRODUCES olive oil, well it is very normal that consumers cannot taste the difference... i am from the mediterraneo and opening my door and getting to the open air, olive oil trees I mainly see -along with pine. So, for me, it is not that easy to full me, but still...
The other day I purchased cold pressed EVOO and was very green... this is what we call immature here- tastes SOOO good raw on salads etc. and I would like to try to make a batch with it...

PLEASE... someone give me this answer... when you make a EVOO how much would you SF? And I ask because it conditions alot as an oil...

Although we produce a lot of oilve oil we also import a large amount, being able to taste the difference is not the issue, just because we have an official quality regulator doesn't mean we trust it, we do batch tests every 6 months or so, they should do what we do.

Regarding your question, if you're planning on making 100% EVOO soap then be aware that it will be very soft for a long time unless you do some sort of water discount, also the superfat shouldn't be very high, personally i'd do a 40% lye water concentration and a 3% superfat,
i'm no expert on 100% EVOO castile soap so you should probably wait for a second opinion.

 

[Nehlena]

Although we produce a lot of oilve oil we also import a large amount, being able to taste the difference is not the issue, just because we have an official quality regulator doesn't mean we trust it, we do batch tests every 6 months or so, they should do what we do.

True...

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Nehlena, I started a new thread with your question as it was a little bit lost and also a bit of a hijaak from the flow here.

 

[Susie]

I can't find the new thread, so I am going to answer here. I would not use more than a 5% SF. It should not need more than that, especially with the 6 month-1 year cure time on a true Castile, or even a Bastile soap with a really high amount of OO. Exactly because OO is already so conditioning and has EVOO has a lot of unsaponifiables.

 

[Dahila]

soapbro answering your question; I live in Canada in the most populated province, not some third world country as you suggested, Thank you very much
I had lived in Spain for over two years, in village specializing in OO production ) Seen it, been there, and there is not way you can taste the difference in OO,

 

[SoapBro]

soapbro answering your question; I live in Canada in the most populated province, not some third world country as you suggested, Thank you very much
I had lived in Spain for over two years, in village specializing in OO production ) Seen it, been there, and there is not way you can taste the difference in OO,

i didnt suggest you lived in some third world country.. i dont think i wrote anything even relating to third world countries, i actually thought you're american.

i never said you can taste the difference either, when i said we test out oils i meant lab test if that wasn't clear.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Okay, folks - keep it above the belt, watch the rabbit punches and the high elbows.

This is getting a little rough and tumble so take a breath before posting replies here please.

 

[TeriDk]

This thread has been entertaining. I use organic EVOO for my soaps. I have no idea whether it makes a better soap but there is something to be said about sustainable agriculture, healthier soils which makes for a better olive and healthier workers. Using nasty chemicals to extract oil does not appeal to me...exactly how are these chemicals disposed of? In buying organic EVOO, certified ones, I had anywhere from dark green to a bright yellow depending on the origin of the oil. I recently ordered a kit because I wanted to try using tallow for the 1st time. The kit also used POO. I don't care for the soap at all but others might like it just fine. I don't make soap for profit, I make them because I'm concerned about what we are poring into our oceans. The reefs are dying.

 

[hud]

[FONT=&quot]Actually I have to say that maybe I shouldn’t have posted anything that is not related directly to soap making, I do apologize for all the readers for wasting their time reading this subject. Vonna I apologize for ruining your thread with such conversation I honestly didn’t mean to. I would like to thank the admins for their patience, but also I would like to say that I am surprised how I was attacked, I didn’t really expect that. I was thinking that people here are friendlier. I wouldn’t approach someone who has different point of view about something the same way I was approached, and for those who think that I am using methods from 14th century I still don’t understand why such thing would be said. There is always two ways to say the same thing. I have a descent degree in medicine, I worked in large famous manufacture for producing medicines, and I was mainly in charge of the whole process of adding chemical substances to create medicines to the finale shape of all types of medicines that was on the market at that time. I know very well what medical industry is. I have other degrees as well. I lived in several countries due to work; also I have traveled around the globe for various reasons. I am familiar with a lot of rules and regulations in the countries where either I live or I lived and traveled. I would say that always education is the key for solving any conflict. I think that the guys whom I believed attacked me maybe thinking that I am someone with no education, or they may not have heard of such different things than what they know. I came from a background that is educated, tolerant and open-minded. I do have plenty of friends or family friends who are either physicians or specialists and I am in touch with many of them, for those who are worried about me thank you for expressing your personal opinions and thank you for your kind feelings I am not acting on my own I am under the care of certified physicians who are working with me, they have the same natural route I have and I believe that they are aware of all the rules and regulations that applies to their career. I do appreciate for all of you your concerns about the safety of my children regardless whatever motivation you had. I always have respect for elder people and I understand that it’s difficult for them to change their minds about something which is not a problem for me. I don’t like to practice ethnocentrism over others, I like to be just and fare with them because I respect other people’s culture, practices, language, faith and all other differences. I am not saying that anyone has practiced it or not in this thread I am only expressing myself who I am.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I don’t think we should talk about this subject anymore because I don’t see any beneficial point of bringing it up again. I would like to suggest that the admins close this thread to keep it peaceful, its only suggestion you decide guys what is the best to do. Thank you for all your efforts taking care of this forum.
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[FONT=&quot]Thanks for everyone here; I learned good things from this thread.[/FONT]