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You're right, I'm sorry. It was probably not the best idea for me to make that last post. :)
Oh, I don't mean to criticize you or your enthusiasm. Just, to say, consider why they say what they say/do what they do, and move on to sources more in line with what you seek.

Great points, @paradisi - and geared towards people saying “let’s do a project today” and wanting quick results, not 4-6 weeks later we can see how we did. Immediate satisfaction in sacrifice of better quality.
👍 Cake mix vs cooking school. Not bad; just very different.
 
@artemis

I see products that seem to be geared towards helping people learn to make soap, and I guess I feel that customizing recipes should be part of learning, so people should be able to do that. But you are right, then they wouldn't be selling their products.

To me, these stores that sell soap and have people make soap are not geared towards teaching soap making. To me, they are more like the places where you can glaze pottery. Their intent is not to teach you to make pottery-- it's to have an "experience." Like the wine + painting places. You go, hang out, and are instructed in making one finished product.
 
It shouldn't bother me, but everything I've seen about this company so far irks me.
It's easy, stop following them, then they won't irk you. Talking about them all the time doesn't get you anywhere, your wasting your valuable time, when you could be designing and making your own soap. You can't get time back.
 
The Making Soap Magazine has an article about "Making Kits" for your customers. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time. I'll let Hobby Lobby & the like keep on with that enthusiasm.
I work in stores where the Soap Gals soaps are shipped into. Some of the fragrances are great. Only the employees know the whole story about her being found! We can't tell the customers. I agree with @KiwiMoose my hand is not raised. Soap making for me is fun and for replenishing my addiction to fragrances.
 
Lots of good points. Mostly it just reminds me that I am happy I found SMF early in my journey. I really feel for anyone who buys into this nonsense and uses a two day old bar of soap. 😯 Sadly it gives anyone who hasn’t used good soap the impression that all handmade soap is harsh. There’s a lot of really bad soap makers out there selling soap. 🙁
I agree with @Relle that it may be best to move on. Her marketing tells me that she isn’t interested in anything except making a quick buck. I would be surprised if anyone sticks with her kit for long. Anyone who tries to sell this soap probably won’t have many, or any, repeat customers. 🙁
 
Let's face it - who among us has become rich from making soap? Hands up!!! See - no-one. It might be a supplementary income for the small seller, or a pension top up, but no-one is living entirely off their soap sales are they (as a single maker)?
People will realise this once they try this miracle lye solution and start selling, waiting for the millions to roll in. Great marketing plan - as great as '1/4 moisturising cream". Aimed at the gullible.
Good point! Btw, what is the 1/4 moisturizing cream dove claims? I can't make enoung sense out of their label to even get it. Do you know?
 
It's easy, stop following them, then they won't irk you. Talking about them all the time doesn't get you anywhere, your wasting your valuable time, when you could be designing and making your own soap. You can't get time back.
Great point/suggestion

Lots of good points. Mostly it just reminds me that I am happy I found SMF early in my journey. I really feel for anyone who buys into this nonsense and uses a two day old bar of soap. 😯 Sadly it gives anyone who hasn’t used good soap the impression that all handmade soap is harsh. There’s a lot of really bad soap makers out there selling soap. 🙁
I agree with @Relle that it may be best to move on. Her marketing tells me that she isn’t interested in anything except making a quick buck. I would be surprised if anyone sticks with her kit for long. Anyone who tries to sell this soap probably won’t have many, or any, repeat customers. 🙁
Of course, one can use a two-day old bar of soap but wouldn’t it have been helpful for the teacher to remind makers that they need to let their bars cure to fully appreciate their efforts.

Good point! Btw, what is the 1/4 moisturizing cream dove claims? I can't make enoung sense out of their label to even get it. Do you know?
I began making soap when our son and his wife were exploring having a lavender farm. He asked if I would be interested in making soap for their gift shop (still only in the planning stages). I said”sure.” I am a good cook and figured I could also make soap. So happy I found this group as it guided me through my first 12 months of soap-making and still provides ideas/guidance daily! Fortunately for me and for “the world” I was not selling, just learning. By the time they opened their shop, I had well over a year of making soap. Am I getting rich? Heck no! My other products have a far higher margin (creams/salves/lip balms, etc) but do I love making soap? Yes and that is why I continue to make soap for their business. They live 1/4 mile from the site of a Civil War battlefield and our daughter-in-law feels lavender helps bring peace to the land and so they named their business as they did. Love learning from the Soapers in this group who so willingly share their expertise! Thankful for you all every day!

Now, I'm not trying to be nitpicky or just criticize someone's business for fun. That being said, I feel like this is not a good tutorial to follow to learn to make soap. It appears to be aimed at beginner soapmakers, but encourages one to sell their soap from the beginning of the article. I'm not sharing the tutorial in its entirety, only parts that I feel are of interest. Here's the opening lines of the article:

"The instructions below will teach you how to make cold process soap using our innovative process. Our process is different for three main reasons:

  1. Using our formula, your soap is safe to use in 2 days! You will know exactly what the final product weight will be. You can make and sell your soaps faster, knowing what the correct label weight should be, without waiting for the water to evaporate.
  2. We use a 50/50 lye solution. This lye is already dissolved in water. It is safer to use, eliminates toxic fumes and quicker to produce soap using it. Because of using the 50/50 solution, we produce everything at room temperature. No thermometers needed."
I have no problem with the 50/50 lye solution, I know many masterbatch their lye solution. What bugs me is although soap is usually mostly saponified by 2 days after making it, it seems irresponsible to claim that it is safe for use that soon. If I handle my soaps bare-handed 2 days after the pour, I can feel that the soap is harsher than it is after even a solid week of cure time.

The tutorial then goes on to list a recipe to make 4.5 pounds of soap for your first batch. 🤔 It says glass is ok to use for soaping, as well.

One of the directions is to combine Himalayan salt in water (for a harder bar, I know salt does help with that), then add the salt solution to the oils and blend with a stick blender for about 1 minute. Doesn't salt usually go in the lye solution? Why would one blend salt water into the oils for one minute before adding the lye solution?

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  1. Next, pour in your 50/50 lye solution and mix using an immersion blender until mixed completely (approximately 30-60 seconds). Your mixture will start to thicken (this is trace beginning to happen).
  2. When you reach a light trace, you can write your name into the batter or see the drip indentations in your batter. This is when you are ready to add your kaolin clay, fragrance or essential oil, and other additives to the mixture.
  3. Blend using an immersion blender until thoroughly combined or soap begins to thicken to a pudding-like consistency. This is when you are ready to pour into your mold. Do not wait too long or your soap will be too thick to pour.
  4. Pour into mold and add any swirls or designs to the surface of your soaps.
  5. Leave undisturbed for at least 24 hours then unmold and cut your bars using gloves. Soaps will be safe to use after 48 hours. "
Most of this doesn't seem unreasonable, although the amount of blending is a lot. With my slow moving recipes, if I continue to blend after I reach trace the soap would be far too thick to do much with.

"Curing your cold process soap

Although your soaps are safe to use after 48 hours, they still contain additional water that will evaporate over time to create a denser, harder bar of soap.

Depending on the weather, you will reach your final product weight in 2 to 6 weeks.

This is what we refer to as “curing” your soaps, although most people get this evaporation stage confused with saponification and believe that your bars are not safe to use during this entire process.

Huge myth!

Your soaps are safe to use after 48 hours and saponification is complete, they just haven’t reached their lowest weight yet."


Is saponification ALWAYS complete within 48 hours?

The next section under "Selling Your Cold Process Soap" discusses labeling weights, and how you should use the same recipe each time and learn your finished soap weights to be able to label the soaps right away. That in and of itself makes sense, if we use the same recipes and cut the same size soaps, the weights should be about the same after cure each time. However, saying that waiting 6 weeks to sell your soaps is not "scalable for most soap makers" seems a little off to me.

"This is a game changer as it will help your cash flow, inventory needs, product availability, and ability to say yes to sales opportunities as a small to large soap making business.

Waiting up to 6 weeks to sell after your product has been made is not scalable for most soap makers. Using this labeling tip, you can break through ceilings (or burst the bubble might be more applicable here!) and grow your business."


Does anyone else think this article is a little off, or am I out of line here? It bothers me because I found the products mentioned in the article in a craft store yesterday, and the only instructions with the products is this article. If someone finds the products in the store and decides to use them to learn, (good for them for one thing, soaping is great!) and then has to use the recipe and tutorial here, it feels like it is setting them up for potential problems down the road.

I'm not sure if I should send the company a kind email asking that some things be corrected, or if I should just stay in my own lane and let them be. That's why I wanted to get the opinions of you, SMF friends. 🙃

-rant over, for now!😁 -
I always add my salt to my oils/fats. Have never added to my lye water - didn’t know that was a thing. My major concern is her talk about marketing/selling! I was told (by group members here) that it is prudent to make for at least a year before you being selling and I needed that advice (so glad I did). Makers need to realize that each of us “speaks fora’ all of us when it comes to sales/quality and telling people that, after one batch, they will be ready to sell is, in my opinion, irresponsible/dangerous and oddly self-serving.
 

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