Making my first cold process soap batch

[Alfa_Lazcares]

I am gonna be shooting in the dark here but is probably because everyone and their mother has seen the Dove comercial that claims it is moiturizing and has i dont know how much cream. It is embeded in everyones minds that a soap can be moistourizing.

You had that idea, i had that idea, a lot of people that make soaps have that idea.

Also, a soap will clean, doesnt matter what the clensing number says. Because its soap, and a soap cleans! But as everyone is saying some are more striping that others.

 

[lindakschickens]

Makes more sense once put that way Alfa_Lazcares. Still tho if it does not moisturize it should not be labeled as such. Also I tried dove soap it makes me itch and drys my skin and I tried a competitor that was supposed be drying and all that was better for me then dove. They have dove baby products tried on my daughter 10 mins after getting out of the bathbher skin was red dove sucks.

Plus note I'm now additced to making soap and breeding/hatching chickens lol.

 

[artemis]

[QUOTE="lindakschickens, post: 709165, member: Still tho if it does not moisturize it should not be labeled as such. [/QUOTE]

It should also not be labeled as "acne curing" or anything like that, but we've probably all seen such soaps on Etsy and at markets. There are labeling rules. Not everyone cares to find out what they are. Not everyone who knows what they are cares to follow them.

 

[lindakschickens]

[QUOTE="lindakschickens, post: 709165, member: Still tho if it does not moisturize it should not be labeled as such.

It should also not be labeled as "acne curing" or anything like that, but we've probably all seen such soaps on Etsy and at markets. There are labeling rules. Not everyone cares to find out what they are. Not everyone who knows what they are cares to follow them.[/QUOTE]
True to many say acne cure/solver etc. saying items in it are know to help that is one thing but saying it will cure/solve etc is annoying I have tried so many because of that labeling and I have gotten my money back because I raised hell over it. Not fun tho.

Have a recipe for pumpkin soap anyone ever try making soap with pumpkin puree?? Or fresh tomatoes or fresh carrot juice for that matter.

 

[artemis]

True to many say acne cure/solver etc. saying items in it are know to help that is one thing but saying it will cure/solve etc is annoying

Over here, saying it cures vs saying it "contains thing that are known to..." Is the same thing as far as labeling rules are concerned.

Have a recipe for pumpkin soap anyone ever try making soap with pumpkin puree?? Or fresh tomatoes or fresh carrot juice for that matter.

Lots of people have tried any number of purees and juices in soap. A quick search should find many ideas. Or you could start a new thread asking for pumpkin-specific thoughts and ideas.

 

[Iluminameluna]

www.Soaping[/URL] 101.com YouTube videos. The host has a good voice and covers just about EVERY thing you wanted to know about making soap and using additives.
My favorite sections are the ones called, Can You Soap With It? She makes beet soap, cucumber and aloe FROM SCRATCH.
There's also a post in this forum from a soap mallet that did a plethora of single-oil soaps to show how each soap behaves after a prolonged curing time. Example: I made an 80% olive oil (virgin was all I had) that was good only after an 8 month cure. Best after a year! And only because I didn't use some of it until then. It was 15% CO and 5% castor. Thin lather but really mild.
One last thing. There's also a site, for which I can't remember whose or the url, that speaks to the numbers and what they really mean on a soap/lye calculator.
If/when I remember or find the sites and posts that I've mentioned, I'll come back and post them here.

 

[lindakschickens]

Over here, saying it cures vs saying it "contains thing that are known to..." Is the same thing as far as labeling rules are concerned.

Lots of people have tried any number of purees and juices in soap. A quick search should find many ideas. Or you could start a new thread asking for pumpkin-specific thoughts and ideas.

Really? I though as long as you did not claim that your soap cures,treats, prevents etc (what ever issue) even if you listed background info on the products in your soap as long as you clearly state that the background info was on the products used in your soap was for informational purposes only and that your soap is not meant to cure,treat, prevent etc and your product is used to cleanse your skin/hair you were covered

 

[Iluminameluna]

Here is the site where they do single-oil soap experiments. It continues a year later. It's VERY thorough!
Somehow I didn't paste this link:
http://alchemyandashes.blogspot.com/2013/03/single-oil-soap-experiment-phase-one.html?m=1
Edited to add the following:
http://soapcalc.net/info/soapqualities.asp
Very thorough but slightly technical explanations for the different character values for oils used in soaps.
Edited again to add the following:
http://www.soap-making-resource.com/saponification-table.html
Slightly less technical than the above but also has links to more info, including a soap recipe with explanations every step of the way.
Wishing all a good soaping day!

 

[lindakschickens]

Here is the site where they do single-oil soap experiments. It continues a year later. It's VERY thorough!
Edited to add the following:
http://soapcalc.net/info/soapqualities.asp
Very thorough but slightly technical explanations for the different character values for oils used in soaps.
Edited again to add the following:
http://www.soap-making-resource.com/saponification-table.html
Slightly less technical than the above but also has links to more info, including a soap recipe with explanations every step of the way.
Wishing all a good soaping day!

Thank you

 

[artemis]

Really? I though as long as you did not claim that your soap cures,treats, prevents etc (what ever issue) even if you listed background info on the products in your soap as long as you clearly state that the background info was on the products used in your soap was for informational purposes only and that your soap is not meant to cure,treat, prevent etc and your product is used to cleanse your skin/hair you were covered

From what I understand you can't say, "contains (essential oil) which is known to benefit (some ailment)." And you also can't say, "contains (essential oil) and here's a link to information about it's benefits." But that's here in the U.S. More experienced soapers who sell may weigh in.

Actually, I recommend searching on the subject, instead. There have been several very interesting threads about labeling and health claims and how to avoid getting oneself into trouble.

 

[lindakschickens]

I have searched on the subject for here in the UK but seems like I'm either looking in the wrong place or I have a better chance of finding a Ghost chili and dying from eating it. but would have though saying contains (essential oil) here is a link to more information on it and how it's obtained etc.

I will search here on the subject as I find interesting. Prob another reason why I can't be bothered to sell lol.

 

[shunt2011]

No claims can be made. Even listing what they may be good for isn’t allowed. Read Marie Gales book on labeling. Very informative. Though there are many who still makes claims, either because they don’t know or don’t care. I se it all the time

 

[lindakschickens]

No claims can be made. Even listing what they may be good for isn’t allowed. Read Marie Gales book on labeling. Very informative. Though there are many who still makes claims, either because they don’t know or don’t care. I se it all the time

Ok so let me get this right even if you don't make a claim and you don't personally list benefits but you link a outside source to more info about a item that some how still makes you look like your claiming and or stating benefits even when your not? Bit dumb to me personally but then again I'm a idiot who believed that harsh acne products were good because of the so called acne fighting benefits of their chemicals which never worked for me.

 

[artemis]

Bit dumb to me personally ...

Well, linking to a source that says "This essential oil will cure this ailment" is the same as you saying it does. If you didn't want people to think it was going to cure X ailment, you would even include the link. "I'm not SAYING it will cure your ailment but here's information from my handpicked source that says it will. Draw your own conclusions."

 

[lindakschickens]

Well, linking to a source that says "This essential oil will cure this ailment" is the same as you saying it does. If you didn't want people to think it was going to cure X ailment, you would even include the link. "I'm not SAYING it will cure your ailment but here's information from my handpicked source that says it will. Draw your own conclusions."

1 issue with that grant it some do but others spend a long time looking for a reliable thorough source(s) of information for certain items like essential oils or butters etc. I personally like the sources that list pro's and con's of any given item etc. I have also seen sources say there are claims that x item does so and so and research from x places show x results and links those studies or what have you. I find those more except able then someone saying this will do this 100% etc etc. Again I would not say a seller/maker 100% claims or agrees item(s) does do x specially if the outside link also links other sources and research to say ya or nay one way or the other. A lot of sellers don't list information resources but lots of people do look up products and can and do get inaccurate info and buy a product based on it. I guess I am one of those people that much prefer to have informed buyers.

I did find a 18 page guidance on essential oils in cosmetics but I could see any place where you can't list the benefits (or so called) of essential oil(s). I did contact a place that offer's testing and such so you can sell your homemade soaps and what not and they answered a labeling question of mine so hopefully for UK people who want to sell I may or may not be able to give a answer.

 

[artemis]

1 issue with that grant it some do but others spend a long time looking for a reliable thorough source(s) of information for certain items like essential oils or butters etc.

Right, but as a buyer, I am getting only the information from the person who has a vested interest in giving me information that promotes their particular product. More, though, it is still the same thing as making a claim about the product curing something, which is the issue we were discussing. That is the reason I was giving for why you can't do that.

 

[lindakschickens]

Right, but as a buyer, I am getting only the information from the person who has a vested interest in giving me information that promotes their particular product. More, though, it is still the same thing as making a claim about the product curing something, which is the issue we were discussing. That is the reason I was giving for why you can't do that.

Yes I get that's what you we're doing and I was giving my veiw on it Also i would say more like promotes a specific item in a particular product and not the whole product itself unless that source promotes the product with out vaild testing etc. While sellers do link sources that praise x items not everyone does. That's like sellers who link sources that promote their products with out vaild testing some do some don't. Again disclaimers and information source(s) and other references etc should not automatically make you guilty of trying to claim your product or single item in you products does x,y and z. There are lots of veiw points I personally find it overly ridge I get both buyers and sellers need protection but I personally find it odd talking about essential oil benefits are basically placed in a choke hold but heavy chemicals are boasted about.

 

[earlene]

I don't know the labeling rules in the UK. So I looked up some links for your area. You'll have to do the in-depth research yourself, or maybe someone here from the UK can give you more detail.

https://www.gov.uk/product-labelling-the-law

https://www.export.gov/article?id=United-Kingdom-Labeling-Marking-Requirements

https://www.mariegale.com/international-labeling-laws/

https://www.wholesalehandmadesoap.co.uk/labelling/

http://www.soapmakingmagazine.co.uk/blog/index.php/2017/01/30/sell-products-legally/

What I did notice is that in the US, we are apparently more lenient in regards to soap than many other countries, especially those in the European Union. So, that being the case, I would suspect that if you want to assume that if it's not allowed in the US, then it's probably not allowed in the UK, it seems like a safe bet.

The fact that some people still break the rules doesn't mean the rules don't exist. It only means they haven't been caught. Some do get caught, then they have to face the consequences. Why go through that?

 

[cmzaha]

Either they do not know what they are doing or just using it as a selling ploy. Most use it as a selling ploy. Lotion is moisturizing soap cleans and washes away. Another point about not highly superfatting is the fact it is hard on the plumbing.

 

[lindakschickens]

Earlene those links are helpful and wish those would have been easier to find for me the first time because I ended up having to contact a company that offers testing on soaps and such so you can legally sell them they then sent me a more simplified explanation on labeling and how to, I'll see if I can link it (the guide or whatever they called it) once I find that email reply.

Yes in the USA rules over cosmetics and drugs exist for a reason only issue I have is it seems like they can't make up their mind on how to approach essential oils. Like aromatherapy under the law, how “aromatherapy” products are regulated depends mainly on how they are intended to be used. So my walk away from that is I just say it smells good I'll be ok with the law. If a cosmetic has essential oil in it but you say it's only to make you smell nice or "aromatherapy" and that it smells good your fine. To me it also reads like if I want to claim benefits of a essential oil you will have to have it tested as a cosmetic and drug and then you'll be fine by the sound of it. Also doesn’t have regulations defining “natural” or “organic” for cosmetics and all cosmetic products and ingredients must meet the same safety requirement, regardless of their source. So this now leaves it open for people to claim something is natural or organic even if it might not be. But that's my take away on it.

In the UK I still can't find a single thing on listing essential oil benefits I have contact CTPA ( The Cosmetic, Toiletry and Perfumery Association) as I believe they would be in a much better position to tell me basically what,when, who, where and why on this issue.

cmzaha so if it's a selling ploy how and why do people "legally" sell essential oils and butters and list benefits with out being charged on a daily basis? also I have tried lotions more cleansing then soap which was really odd and left a fire red rash (thanks dove) and soaps that have left my skin feeling soft and moisturized or is that how a mind messes with you? Also how is not highly superfatting hard on plumbing?

But my overall take away thus far 1 soap making is hard specially if you have not found a good soapcalc 2 trying to sell your products legally is a pain depending where you are and 3 essential oil rules and regulations need be simplified and more straight forward, concise and depending where you are easier to find.

But those issues aside I find it fun making soap. Maybe once I get the rules on everything over here and how it's done I'm sure it will be easier if I decided to sell on a small soap on a small scale i'm not a big scale thinker.

I am already planning my next soaps tho and I will be buying more butters etc. Aloe butter is nice but I'm thinking I might get away with using aloe juice and some other liquid.

I'm going to try a lard,coconut,castor oil,shea butter or coco butter soap with rose petal powder and a light rose fragrance oil.