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I thought it might be. The last time I checked their calculator, it doesn't give percentages that are specific to each EO - just a general recommendation, which I find to be quite irresponsible on their part.
Their actual product listing for clove leaf EO says to use at 1% max in soap. That's still too a bit too high per IFRA or EOCalc.com, but it's at least a lot closer to the safe usage rate than what their calculator says. I'd submit a complaint about that if I were you, including the fact that you had toss a huge batch of soap as a result of their misinformation.
Bramble Berry has begun providing IFRA sheets with their essential oils, but the one for Clove Leaf EO lists the Category 9 max as 5.74%. I assume the information comes from their vendor, but that seems really high. There's always a chance something got mixed up (their website looks to have been recently updated), and that would mess up the numbers in their fragrance calculator, too. If you'd like to ask them about it, I find using the chat function on their website to be the quickest and easiest way to communicate.
BTW, the product listing also mentions "Acceleration and ricing in cold process" — which you have proved, for sure!
BTW, the product listing also mentions "Acceleration and ricing in cold process" — which you have proved, for sure!
Yes! Just got an email from BrambleBerry and they informed me that their record of Clove Leaf EO Max Usage of 5.74% is accurate. Mmmmm…Throw out my soap already though. Not sure how to read this. They sent me their IFRA sheet as well (attached below).Bramble Berry has begun providing IFRA sheets with their essential oils, but the one for Clove Leaf EO lists the Category 9 max as 5.74%. I assume the information comes from their vendor, but that seems really high. There's always a chance something got mixed up (their website looks to have been recently updated), and that would mess up the numbers in their fragrance calculator, too. If you'd like to ask them about it, I find using the chat function on their website to be the quickest and easiest way to communicate.
BTW, the product listing also mentions "Acceleration and ricing in cold process" — which you have proved, for sure!
Maybe should be 0.574?
That's more in agreement with the other suppliers' IFRA reccs, most are 0.8 for soap.
We should all flood BB with objections to this misinformation.
EDIT: I just submitted a comment through their contact form.
EDIT: I just submitted a comment through their contact form.
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Here was BB's response to me:
Hi! Thanks for bringing this up! I'll let our product development team know. The IFRA however, is the maximum amount of fragrance/essential oil a product could hold, but shouldn't be taken as the recommended amount. We state in the product description to use this at a 1% rate for wash off products and not at all for lotions.
Thanks!
I don't agree with their explanation of what the IFRA statement is supposed to represent, so here is what I wrote back:
I appreciate the explanation. However, I can tell you that at least one person in the SoapmakingForum.com used it at 6% in soap, because of confusion on this issue. Speaking as an attorney and to protect your company from potential lawsuits, I would recommend listing the actual IFRA recommendation for that specific EO, which is something like .8%, which is how other sellers' IRFA statements are listed. The first page should also include the actual constituent amounts, instead of listing them all as 0.
Hi! Thanks for bringing this up! I'll let our product development team know. The IFRA however, is the maximum amount of fragrance/essential oil a product could hold, but shouldn't be taken as the recommended amount. We state in the product description to use this at a 1% rate for wash off products and not at all for lotions.
Thanks!
I don't agree with their explanation of what the IFRA statement is supposed to represent, so here is what I wrote back:
I appreciate the explanation. However, I can tell you that at least one person in the SoapmakingForum.com used it at 6% in soap, because of confusion on this issue. Speaking as an attorney
and to protect your company from potential lawsuits, I would recommend listing the actual IFRA recommendation for that specific EO, which is something like .8%, which is how other sellers' IRFA statements are listed. The first page should also include the actual constituent amounts, instead of listing them all as 0. 
That's a bold statement to make, just in a general sense, because nobody truly knows what might be an allergen. I have learned more about allergens here than anywhere else!
You guys, as a collective, are awesome!
It was especially bold as even then, most other vendors listed allergens in their SDS.That's a bold statement to make, just in a general sense, because nobody truly knows what might be an allergen. I have learned more about allergens here than anywhere else!
You guys, as a collective, are awesome!
I suppose their person in charge of that stuff was just inexperienced .
Thank you for this.Here was BB's response to me:
Hi! Thanks for bringing this up! I'll let our product development team know. The IFRA however, is the maximum amount of fragrance/essential oil a product could hold, but shouldn't be taken as the recommended amount. We state in the product description to use this at a 1% rate for wash off products and not at all for lotions.
Thanks!
I don't agree with their explanation of what the IFRA statement is supposed to represent, so here is what I wrote back:
I appreciate the explanation. However, I can tell you that at least one person in the SoapmakingForum.com used it at 6% in soap, because of confusion on this issue. Speaking as an attorney
Yeah, I had reached out to BrambleBerry multiple times regarding this issues, but I have not received a satisfactory response. Their explanations have been vague and seem to imply that any discrepancies are my responsibility. This lack of clarity and accountability from their side has been frustrating.
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