Salt will not thicken 100% coconut oil or mostly coconut oil soap. HEC will. I find HPMC works best on dual lye soaps. Crothix is most likely what you are referring too. Have never used it and have heard mixed results regarding its use for thickening these types of liquid soaps.
Yes DeeAnna - I was able to easily thicken 2 soaps (One was 100% olive oil the other was 50% olive oil, 30% coconut oil and the rest other soft oils) with very small amounts of a 20% sodium citrate solution. The 100% coconut oil soap did not thicken at all. There was also no change in pH like with citric acid. The reason I chose to experiment with this was for potential chelating properties in addition to the thickening.
Olivem 300 also thickens these soaps but it is an emulsifier and they can sometimes cause me problems if the soap is superfatted or has FO/EO's added to them.
Yes DeeAnna - I was able to easily thicken 2 soaps (One was 100% olive oil the other was 50% olive oil, 30% coconut oil and the rest other soft oils) with very small amounts of a 20% sodium citrate solution. The 100% coconut oil soap did not thicken at all. There was also no change in pH like with citric acid. The reason I chose to experiment with this was for potential chelating properties in addition to the thickening.
Olivem 300 also thickens these soaps but it is an emulsifier and they can sometimes cause me problems if the soap is superfatted or has FO/EO's added to them.
I'm posting this on a little outdated thread. However it seems to be relevant to the context.
I've been looking to replace my LS thickener from Salt to something more stable and does not reduce the lather. read about HEC and HPMC in this thread and few other places. I wanted to know the GRAS grade of these ingredients and any other concerns relating to use of these as thickeners. While doing some web search I cam across the below report, from the journal of American Collage of Toxicology titled Final Report on the Safety Assessment of Hydroxyethyl cellulose, Hydroxypropyl cellulose, Methyl cellulose, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, and Cellulose Gum
I'm still into reading few pages only. However it seems to be very relevant to us and gives some insights to possible degradation that can happen and certain combinations which can give greater viscosity than single use etc. I know not every soaper like to go through the scientific journals. However these can help us formulating better products. Hope the community benefit from this.
Thanks for the link Lankan ... On page 3 of this 1986 edition of the Journal of the American College of Toxicology (according to the title), it mentions that the use of these cellulose thickeners also requires a preservative for long-term storage success. This is not a criticism, but it is worth noting that cellulose is food for bacteria, whereas salt is not .
Please, I will like you to share a full step by step method on how to achieve thickened soap with your formulaStarum, attempting to make liquid soap from solid soap pieces is not making liquid soap. It's making snot.
Liquid soap is made with KOH. Different animal all together. Soap made from NaOH will always eventually return to a solid state.
When I make liquid soap with KOH I use plain table salt. The salt will cause the surfactants in the water:surfactant mix to swell, effectively thickening the solution.
This is a really old thread. Deda hasn’t been here in a very long time. You may want to start a new thread and ask for assistance. Be sure to include your recipe and process. Welcome!Please, I will like you to share a full step by step method on how to achieve thickened soap with your formula
Thank you for your information. I am making a 100% olive LS today so will try this thickenerYes DeeAnna - I was able to easily thicken 2 soaps (One was 100% olive oil the other was 50% olive oil, 30% coconut oil and the rest other soft oils) with very small amounts of a 20% sodium citrate solution. The 100% coconut oil soap did not thicken at all. There was also no change in pH like with citric acid. The reason I chose to experiment with this was for potential chelating properties in addition to the thickening.
Olivem 300 also thickens these soaps but it is an emulsifier and they can sometimes cause me problems if the soap is superfatted or has FO/EO's added to them.
Borax is same of salt please?Salt is the easiest way to thicken liquid soap.
No, it is not. I don't know if you can find Borax in the part of the Phillipines where you live, but there are places in some areas where it is sold. Buying Borax in the PhilippinesBorax is same of salt please?
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