homemade hair perfume/hair refesher spray?

[lindakschickens]

Have you tried using shampoo but no conditioner? Could be conditioner just weights your hair down too much.

I have tried just using shampoo but it left my hair way to dry and straw like even with me adding light easily absorbed oils in small amounts to my hair did nothing to help. I have tried just conditioner washes and for the most part it either leaves my hair just like the shampoo or it makes it look like I have not washed it in months. I have tried shampoos and conditioners for dry hair,processed hair, sensitive,baby, normal and oily and all seem to leave me with straw like hair or really greasy if I just use them on their own. If I use both they tend to make my hair feel thin and breakable. Only plus is they hair feels like silk but sadly that's a minus to cuz that's due to the silicone in it.

 

[Obsidian]

I absolutely can not wash with conditioner, it leaves me a stringy mess. I'm really curious to see if your hair improves with the Vit C treatment.

How long have you been using henna? Do you get much color from the lush brand? I know when I'm using henna it makes my hair get build up from conditioner really fast.

Another nice cone free conditioner is tresemme perfectly undone but its gotten really hard to find, at least it has in the states.

 

[lindakschickens]

I absolutely can not wash with conditioner, it leaves me a stringy mess. I'm really curious to see if your hair improves with the Vit C treatment.

How long have you been using henna? Do you get much color from the lush brand? I know when I'm using henna it makes my hair get build up from conditioner really fast.

Another nice cone free conditioner is tresemme perfectly undone but its gotten really hard to find, at least it has in the states.

Some conditioners are better then others but I have only had 1 or 2 that I was able too just wash with but that was a few years back and don't think we have the brand here in the UK.

Ill be going and getting some vitamin c tablets this weekend and give it a go. Also bought a shower head with built in filter thingy so hope it works at reducing some hard water.

I have only used henna from Lush 2 times on my head I heard,read and was told I could build up color so went that route. The henna left my hair really soft and smelling really nice and did not notice build up strictly related to it.

Down side I need to re applyto my lengths as it does not seem to be holding think this is due to the last hairdresser over processing bleach in my hair. I'm pretty sure I won't be bleaching anytime soon or dyeing my hair with anything other then henna

 

[Obsidian]

Lush henna is known for fading, its mostly oils with very little actual herbs in it. I would be very careful if you are using the brown colored one and ever do decide to bleach. It contains indigo, hence the brown color and indigo turns green when exposed to hair bleach.

I use straight henna, it give me a very fiery orange on my natural blonde hair. Stuff is absolutely permanent. Even bleach won't remove it, it has to be grown out and cut off.

Pretty sure I saw tresemme on the superdrug website but I have no idea what variety, they make a ton of products.

 

[lindakschickens]

Lush henna is known for fading, its mostly oils with very little actual herbs in it. I would be very careful if you are using the brown colored one and ever do decide to bleach. It contains indigo, hence the brown color and indigo turns green when exposed to hair bleach.

I use straight henna, it give me a very fiery orange on my natural blonde hair. Stuff is absolutely permanent. Even bleach won't remove it, it has to be grown out and cut off.

Pretty sure I saw tresemme on the superdrug website but I have no idea what variety, they make a ton of products.

Well that explains it then. I use caca rouge. I use their brand as it's basically chop bar add water apply wait 2-4hrs wash. With henna powder from what I have read is henna powder some sort of citrus a few other thing I can't remember off the top of my head water leave for like 12 hours give or take to cure/set up apply leave 12+hrs rinse.

 

[bahbah1182]

It's funny to me that you are so annoyed about the answers you're getting being off topic from your original question, because the last several posts have not been directly about your original question and you seem to not mind and actually seem very responsive. So, perhaps you should say that you don't want any posts that disagree or challenge what you think. Which is totally fine, but maybe clarifying that would help ease tensions.
Also, You state all your information as if it were fact, but I would dare say that you might have some of your facts wrong to the point that those said facts are essentially opinions. Yet you accuse others of stating opinions as facts.
You came to this forum to ask advice and get information. People are giving you their opinions and information. That is kind of them. You can do what you want with it. You don't have to listen to any of it. That being said, your asking someone for their free advice and then arguing with them when you don't like what they have to say. It seems very off putting.

 

[lindakschickens]

It's funny to me that you are so annoyed about the answers you're getting being off topic from your original question, because the last several posts have not been directly about your original question and you seem to not mind and actually seem very responsive. So, perhaps you should say that you don't want any posts that disagree or challenge what you think. Which is totally fine, but maybe clarifying that would help ease tensions.
Also, You state all your information as if it were fact, but I would dare say that you might have some of your facts wrong to the point that those said facts are essentially opinions. Yet you accuse others of stating opinions as facts.
You came to this forum to ask advice and get information. People are giving you their opinions and information. That is kind of them. You can do what you want with it. You don't have to listen to any of it. That being said, your asking someone for their free advice and then arguing with them when you don't like what they have to say. It seems very off putting.

The issues with your comment is I don't care of I'm challenged I don't care if people agree with me and now at this point I don't care if it's strayed from my original question as I highly doubt it would ever get back on track. My facts are based on research and personal experience of normal hair care and what's in it. Again I have thanked those for commenting even the one who I do not wish to have anything to do with. Also some have stated their opinion as fact and seem unable or willing to except that lye and non lye base can be harsh even the so called gentle stuff. That's based on research and experience. If someone is going to state something like lye base with make you lose your hair or something along the lines they are going to be challenged to one degree or another.

 

[LilyJo]

At the risk of starting things off again I'm curious whats your background?

You have called out people who dont subscribe to your view on what lye based products can and cant do and have said that your facts are based on research and experience (pretty much the same as others have said) so I am curious to read your sources. Trying to go as 'green' as possible has thrown all sorts of products my way and once you add in a desire to go cruelty free/palm free I can pretty much rule out a whole heap of products.

So, lye based soap used as shampoo doesnt agree with me but you have said your sources indicate that commercial products will produce a similar level of damage over time, can you link to the source as I am curious to see what research they did, over what time and which ingredients were the main problems and what their sample pool was.

 

[Obsidian]

Well that explains it then. I use caca rouge. I use their brand as it's basically chop bar add water apply wait 2-4hrs wash. With henna powder from what I have read is henna powder some sort of citrus a few other thing I can't remember off the top of my head water leave for like 12 hours give or take to cure/set up apply leave 12+hrs rinse.

You can mix henna with some kinda of acid but it really doesn't do much besides dry out your hair.

I mix with plain hot tap water, let it dye release for a few hours then pop it in the freezer until I'm ready to use it. I also add a bit of orange EO to help with the smell.

The longer you leave it on your hair, the darker the stain but 12 hours isn't necessary. I only do a hour, maybe hour & half.

There is a henna subforum at the hair forum I linked you to. Lots of great info there and we have a resident henna expert who is very helpful. Lots of pictures too of before and after.

 

[lindakschickens]

No I called people out for stating one is more harmful then the other when both are harmful to one extent or another as both are made to strip the body and hair of oils that is their basic purpose. pretty much the same as others uh don't fully agree with that one. My sources are various and I normally compare the overall consensus of any given product or item used in making said product there are a plethora of various researches and personal experiences google it you will find loads. I will include some links below these are a few I browsed at various points normally cross ref the info and see about a general consensus on any given item.

And let me make this more clear I stated commercial hair care products produce varying degrees of damage which when I compared this to various personal experiences of others with lye base shampoos they are similar in their varying degrees of damage. Major difference between lye based and commercial (non lye based) products are most of the major ingredients in commercial (non lye base) are know irritants to a lot of people which I am one of them. I never once said lye base was the way to go and the only way, if you like your main stream product and can use it no problem great use it if you can't find a alternative .
I did say synthetic detergent/surfectant can be just as harmful as the all strip oil from your skin and hair as that is their main function. Both lye based and non lye base can over strip your hair and body of oils which can lead to over production of oils which then can cause issues.

Saying one is worse then the other to me is wrong as both have positives and negatives which is what I have been saying. A lot of people can't (or don't want to) use one but they can use the other and there is nothing wrong with that but again saying one is worse then the other and not take everything that is used to make them (both lye and non lye based) into consideration and add the fact both are made to strip oils you bound to get people hitting back.

for example this place https://livelovefruit.com/12-toxic-ingredients-to-avoid-in-shampoo/ lists various issues with items found in main stream hair care products while I know some of what is stated is agree on by a large consensus i.e irritants the other stuff I am unsure where their info comes from.

or https://www.huffingtonpost.com/vanessa-cunningham/dangerous-beauty-products_b_4168587.html

or https://riatta.com.au/green-health/toxinc-ingredients-best-selling-shampoos/ this is a company so may have inaccurate info and or using fear tactics to sell natural products

or https://www.healthy-holistic-living...icals-found-in-nearly-100-shampoo-brands.html

I can't seem to find the links against lye base shampoo bars. But most people complained about greasy hair some said it made their hair dry was over stripping etc (some of these same issues can be found in main stream hair care products).

Some of these are older and new info is out there you will have to sift through it

My background? well I'm no cosmetologist (still thinking about it) or Dr ect. I do study holistic/natural/ alternative health like reiki, aromatherapy, yogo, colour therapy. I am close to getting my certificate for CBT, NLP, reflexology (hand and feet) and level 1 Reiki. If thats the type of background your asking for. I have years of personal experiences of mainstream shampoo,conditioner and hair dye which are sadly a large part negative!

And thanks Obsidian I'm totally checking out that form now!

 

[LilyJo]

OK - for me none of those links pass my critical thinking test - they are blogs, articles or commercial outlets that all have a vested interest or at the very least their own agenda.

Some of what they say is correct, some is anecdotelly correct and some is just plain wrong. I am not a qualified chemist (some of the people on here are and know far more about which compounds are damaging than most people!) but have read enough on cosmetic ingredients to have formed my own opinion on much of the greenwashing and scaremongering that exists these days. There are so many truths, half truths and just plain misinformation that unless one is 100% up to speed its really easy to miss stuff. Take L'*h products, often touted as green and ethical, the last time I checked they still used SLS as standard in many products and they are no stranger to using fragrance oil, no matter how their marketing dress it up!

For anyone to say that something does or does not cause damage is always an opinion unless it is backed up with facts that can be quoted and proven. My view, for what its worth, is that almost everyone on SMF - especially the more established members - have been around the block a few times and have seen many of the same questions and same fads come and go. No one can tell you or anyone else what to do but we all have an opinion based on our experience, the experience of those around us, scientific journals, product testing and review, commercial product testing and so on.

There is an opinion - based on experience - that soap used as shampoo is damaging and causes severe hair damage. That opinion does not agree with yours - also based on experience.

Are you both right? Or both wrong? Neither.

No one knows the full background of anyone's hair (unless they are taking a full medical/cosmetic assessment) and what causes someone's hair to fall out or break using soap may or may not do the same to someone else but it doesnt mean that the claim is wrong it means that someones experience causes them to have that experience and they are giving you that information for you to do with what you will.

Just as an aside, if you are thinking of a hair perfume to formulate you could look at something similar to Wild Wash which is used for dogs - bear with me - as that is something that works on a different Ph level and has a no nasties policy.

http://www.wildwash.co.uk/p/4498/WildWash-PRO-Perfume-Fragrance-No1-200ml

Not suggesting you use it but it might be useful as a starting point of formulating your own.

 

[lindakschickens]

OK - for me none of those links pass my critical thinking test - they are blogs, articles or commercial outlets that all have a vested interest or at the very least their own agenda.

Some of what they say is correct, some is anecdotelly correct and some is just plain wrong. I am not a qualified chemist (some of the people on here are and know far more about which compounds are damaging than most people!) but have read enough on cosmetic ingredients to have formed my own opinion on much of the greenwashing and scaremongering that exists these days. There are so many truths, half truths and just plain misinformation that unless one is 100% up to speed its really easy to miss stuff. Take L'*h products, often touted as green and ethical, the last time I checked they still used SLS as standard in many products and they are no stranger to using fragrance oil, no matter how their marketing dress it up!

For anyone to say that something does or does not cause damage is always an opinion unless it is backed up with facts that can be quoted and proven. My view, for what its worth, is that almost everyone on SMF - especially the more established members - have been around the block a few times and have seen many of the same questions and same fads come and go. No one can tell you or anyone else what to do but we all have an opinion based on our experience, the experience of those around us, scientific journals, product testing and review, commercial product testing and so on.

There is an opinion - based on experience - that soap used as shampoo is damaging and causes severe hair damage. That opinion does not agree with yours - also based on experience.

Are you both right? Or both wrong? Neither.

No one knows the full background of anyone's hair (unless they are taking a full medical/cosmetic assessment) and what causes someone's hair to fall out or break using soap may or may not do the same to someone else but it doesnt mean that the claim is wrong it means that someones experience causes them to have that experience and they are giving you that information for you to do with what you will.

Just as an aside, if you are thinking of a hair perfume to formulate you could look at something similar to Wild Wash which is used for dogs - bear with me - as that is something that works on a different Ph level and has a no nasties policy.

http://www.wildwash.co.uk/p/4498/WildWash-PRO-Perfume-Fragrance-No1-200ml

Not suggesting you use it but it might be useful as a starting point of formulating your own.

Again I just copied some of the sites I remember reading never said they were 100% right either just pointing it out still doing research. Again I was only pointing out to those who basically said lye base was damaging that all products cause damage not just lye based some it seems did just not want to except what I said, was also not happy that they "attacked" another user because they felt they were slighted by them thus annoying me thus snowballing everything. Also thank you for letting me know about wild wash. I did make a hair refresher with my FO I added it to water,jojoba and sweet almond oil smells great to.

Also have lush shampoo bars they do have SLS in their products my hair is left very dry from them and their conditioners are not much better they smell great tho.

 

[MKLonestar]

Obsidian. God I wish I had sauve over here in the UK that is like the only shampoo I never reacted to and the only shampoo and conditioner brand my father will use he says everything else makes his hair feel like slime and gack is on it. Was told apple cider vinegar or citric acid ( if I did not want to smell acv). And what is a chelator?

Is it possible to order Suave on Amazon in the UK? I know that I can get a lot of products from the UK on Amazon shipped here to the US, but don't know if that is a reciprocal thing or not. You might check it out and see. Yes, it might cost a little more, but our hair, as women are our "glory" and taking good care of it is important.

 

[lindakschickens]

Is it possible to order Suave on Amazon in the UK? I know that I can get a lot of products from the UK on Amazon shipped here to the US, but don't know if that is a reciprocal thing or not. You might check it out and see. Yes, it might cost a little more, but our hair, as women are our "glory" and taking good care of it is important.

Good point did not think of seeing about if it's on amazon uk thanks for putting that out there. I'll admit tho I don't see my hair as a "crowing glory" just another thing to wash with added baggage of brushing every few hrs cuz it knots easily. Only reason why I am now keeping it long is because of my husband and I much prefer not to hear him moan about me buzzing my hair off again.

 

[earlene]

That is so funny, Linda. I keep my hair long because it feels to me like so much less work than short hair. Of course I do have to brush it once in a while, but I keep it in a braid most of the time and the knots only happen when I leave it loose.

Granted, I did go through pretty much all the hair shenanigans pretty much any teen and young woman can go through during my youth and beyond. Super long, super short, various trendy hair styles, perms, coloring, tinting, bleaching, dual color dyes, etc. as well as doing the baking soda washing method for about 2-1/2 to 3 years.

When I donated my long braid 10 years ago, I thought I'd go back to short hair again and boy did I go through a difficult adjustment period trying to find a hair length and style I could be comfortable with. I couldn't, so I just stopped cutting it, even the bangs; once the bangs grew out enough to stay in my braid, I was happy with my hair again. So much less work!

 

[lindakschickens]

That is so funny, Linda. I keep my hair long because it feels to me like so much less work than short hair. Of course I do have to brush it once in a while, but I keep it in a braid most of the time and the knots only happen when I leave it loose.

Granted, I did go through pretty much all the hair shenanigans pretty much any teen and young woman can go through during my youth and beyond. Super long, super short, various trendy hair styles, perms, coloring, tinting, bleaching, dual color dyes, etc. as well as doing the baking soda washing method for about 2-1/2 to 3 years.

When I donated my long braid 10 years ago, I thought I'd go back to short hair again and boy did I go through a difficult adjustment period trying to find a hair length and style I could be comfortable with. I couldn't, so I just stopped cutting it, even the bangs; once the bangs grew out enough to stay in my braid, I was happy with my hair again. So much less work!

U did the baking soda thing for 2-3 years! wow did it work for you? right now now I have about 1/4 left side of my head buzzed short and the rest is long hubby likes it but said I can't go shorter then a pixie cut. Think it might have been because I kept joking that from my forehead up I looked like john cena (wrestler) LOL.

Think the reason why I don't like long hair is up until I was about 12-13 years old I was forced to have long hair and it was down to my butt I hated it add being plus size to it to and the jokes never ended. would not mind having a long braid tho as it has been ages I remember loosely braiding my hair when it was wet at night and removing the braid in the morning have have soft curls.

 

[Dahila]

Well, I can not use commercial shampoos due allergies, probably sensitivity to much of preservative (I think) my scalp becomes itchy like hell. I make syndet shampoo (synthetic shampoo bar ) for the last 5 or 6 years and never any reaction or itchiness. I have skin condition, which is aggeviated by most of commercial products. Like everyone else I used "shampoo bar aka soap on my hair , I quit after two months. Awful, I war my hair very short so in not time it was like before, but I would never use soap on it again. The best source is swiftmonkey, blog.ca but she had deleted the old blog, So if you need to get into blog you need to pay at least one dollar a month You still can find the recepies on Dish forum too

 

[LilyJo]

Well, I can not use commercial shampoos due allergies, probably sensitivity to much of preservative (I think) my scalp becomes itchy like hell. I make syndet shampoo (synthetic shampoo bar ) for the last 5 or 6 years and never any reaction or itchiness. I have skin condition, which is aggeviated by most of commercial products. Like everyone else I used "shampoo bar aka soap on my hair , I quit after two months. Awful, I war my hair very short so in not time it was like before, but I would never use soap on it again. The best source is swiftmonkey, blog.ca but she had deleted the old blog, So if you need to get into blog you need to pay at least one dollar a month You still can find the recepies on Dish forum too

Ah thats why I couldnt find my links to swiftmonkey!

 

[lindakschickens]

Well, I can not use commercial shampoos due allergies, probably sensitivity to much of preservative (I think) my scalp becomes itchy like hell. I make syndet shampoo (synthetic shampoo bar ) for the last 5 or 6 years and never any reaction or itchiness. I have skin condition, which is aggeviated by most of commercial products. Like everyone else I used "shampoo bar aka soap on my hair , I quit after two months. Awful, I war my hair very short so in not time it was like before, but I would never use soap on it again. The best source is swiftmonkey, blog.ca but she had deleted the old blog, So if you need to get into blog you need to pay at least one dollar a month You still can find the recepies on Dish forum too

Thanks for sharing wonder why she deleted the old blog..syndet?

 

[earlene]

Linda, the baking soda wash worked pretty well a lot of the time. Other times, not. There was the usual adjustment period as so many people write about, which was a pain, but as long I didn't travel, and the water softener at home was well stocked with softener salt. Hard water without the water softener seemed to play havoc with that regimen, at least for my hair & scalp, it did. My hair and scalp never did respond well to the ACV rinse, so I gave up on that part of it.

The worst trouble for me was that every time I traveled, and I do that a lot, the differences in water seemed to make a huge difference in how I responded to the soda wash. It was weird and made no sense to me, but the only thing I could come up with that was a common factor, was the difference in water from one place to another. Hubby thought maybe it had to do with eating differently on the road, but then why would the same thing happen at home if we ran out of water softener salt?

I still don't really understand the mechanics of how or why the different minerals in the different waters made such a big difference, but when I traveled, it was like going through that whole adjustment period all over again. Sometimes, it was so annoying, I'd just use hotel shampoo for the duration of the trip and then have to do the re-adjustment again when I got back home. It became such an annoyance, that eventually I just stopped altogether.

Besides all that, I have to say that making up the baking soda wash every time I wanted to clean my hair is something I don't miss. It's so much easier to get in the shower and see a bottle of shampoo on the shelf ready to go.