homemade hair perfume/hair refesher spray?

[Obsidian]

the only reason shampoo and conditioner seem to make hair soft and look healthy is demithicone

Just wanted to address this real quick. Yes, cones (demithicone or similar) do coat the hair and disguise any damage or dryness but not all shampoo or conditioners contain this.
I have a skin condition on my scalp that cones aggravate. I use sulfate and cone free hair products. My hair is soft and shiny so there are options besides products loaded with cones, they are just hard to find.

I also can't use oils, waxes or most other mainstream type conditioner ingredients. It's a bit of a nightmare at times. Lye soap did wonders for my scalp, I really wish I could have continued using them.

You might also check etsy for natural hair perfumes. I would think if you want to use fo in water, you'll need some kind of emulsifier. I'm lazy when it comes to stuff like that so I tend to just by it.

You can also find solid conditioner bars on etsy, the one I tried left a lot of scent behind but I think it probably had cones too. If you look around enough, you could probably find one that doesn't.

 

[lindakschickens]

I have a issue finding nice sulfate and cone free products that smell nice to me and leave my hair feeling half nice and come in decent size bottles that's one reason I turned to making my own lye base shampoo bar because of that. I think I will have a look at esty for hair perfumes so thank you for that. I will admit I tried a shampoo bar and conditioner bar from Lush UK and loved them but I really don't want to kill over $20+ for both but good god they smelled wonderful! Another reason to try and make my own. If it don't work for me it don't work and I'll admit defeat here on the forums.

 

[cmzaha]

I was not going to give this thread any more attention but I do not appreciate of being accused of using scare tactics. I simply stated hair can be damaged and fall out due to using lye soap, did not say it would. You brought up using soap bars no one else, so it was in the OT. One common thing with new soapmakers, they think soap is the answer for everything, including skin issues. Lye based soap is not good for everyone and some simply cannot use it.

 

[lindakschickens]

I was not going to give this thread any more attention but I do not appreciate of being accused of using scare tactics. I simply stated hair can be damaged and fall out due to using lye soap, did not say it would. You brought up using soap bars no one else, so it was in the OT. One common thing with new soapmakers, they think soap is the answer for everything, including skin issues. Lye based soap is not good for everyone and some simply cannot use it.

I simply stated hair can be damaged and fallout with normal shampoo and conditioner it's not limited to lye based products not my fault you keep stating issues that can happen with other non lye based products which and equal to a scare tactic of sorts even if your not meaning it to be you also assume this is solely directed at you which it is not even tho I quoted your text.

Yes I stated I'm using a lye based shampoo bar but that was not off topic (OT) as you claim but part of the reason behind me asking my question, but for at least two of your comments you state as a fact that my question was about greasy hair while using lye based shampoo bars when it clearly was not.

I don't think soap is the answer for everything nor did I say it was but it would make my life more simple if I could just use it as a all in one and I never said it was good for everyone which is quite clear. Also is this how you treat new soap makers or just ones that disagree with you and point out the issues you state can be found in normal shampoo and conditioners?

While you say you have years of experience with hair you don't elaborate in what capacity you have that experience i.e just based on your own experience with your own hair, hair dresser or Trichologist etc.

I personally do not like that you feel it is ok for you to look down your nose at new soap makers people like that are what put off new soap makers from asking questions and stating their own opinions because they do not wish to be lambasted in any form. I personally don't like how you go on about the issues/risks of lye base shampoo bars when fact of the matter is normal shampoo's and conditioners can have the same issues/risks which you seem to disregard/ignore. and I personally really dislike that you stated as a fact at lest 2 different times that my question was about greasy hair while using a lye base shampoo bar and now try to say I took my own topic off, off topic buy giving a back story as to the reason why I'm asking my question.

Again while I thank everyone for telling me their experiences, and given advice, what happens to one won't happen to another. Yes soap is not the answer to everything nor is it good for everyone nor is looking down your nose at new soap makers and ignoring the facts that similar issues happen between lye base and non lye base products. Maybe it would be best if we both ignored each other for awhile or indefinitely as I don't like being treated less then because I'm a new soap maker.

 

[Obsidian]

I have a issue finding nice sulfate and cone free products that smell nice to me and leave my hair feeling half nice and come in decent size bottles that's one reason I turned to making my own lye base shampoo bar because of that. I think I will have a look at esty for hair perfumes so thank you for that. I will admit I tried a shampoo bar and conditioner bar from Lush UK and loved them but I really don't want to kill over $20+ for both but good god they smelled wonderful! Another reason to try and make my own. If it don't work for me it don't work and I'll admit defeat here on the forums.

I hear ya, I went through a few brands before I found Acure but I dont think its available in the UK. It smells nice, uses only natural scents and feels great without any waxy build up. The shampoo cleans really well too. My hair is fairly damaged from dye so I was very excited to find something that actually works.

I never have tried lush, I've heard some pretty awful things about them and stay far, far away. I do like the synthetic detergent bars I've tried though, I get ones that are SLS free and they are nice, spendy though.

Good luck with your shampoo bars, you might be one of the lucky ones that they work great for. Watch out for dryness and crunchy ends, either of those start to happen, ditch the bars. Don't wait for extreme damage like I did.

 

[lindakschickens]

Would like to state it is not my intention to be rude to anyone nor claim any single person of doing something i.e scare tactics etc. But it seems some are not willing to look at both sides or even listen to my valid points which is annoying as I'm sure everyone will agree.

Obsidian your right I don't think Acure is over here (yet) but thankfully I have my parents in the USA that can maybe send me stuff if this lye base shampoo bar fails. So I will look in to Acure .
I have heard a few negatives about lush but not enough to put me off fully but I'm sure there will come a day when they do either through price of products or stance in environment, politics etc. Which I hope they never do as I am in love with their Caca Rouge henna!

Dryness and crunchy that is the same issue I had with my other normal shampoos and conditioners. But I will look out for that in my shampoo bar hopefully I will be lucky and it will work for me and my family. My hubby used it tonight did not leave his hair greasy or anything feels really nice to be truthful but I'm sure he ain't keen on smelling like roses LOL

 

[Obsidian]

Did you know dry crunchy ends can be a sign of mineral build up from hard water? There are special shampoos that will dissolve the minerals. One of the best is Joico clarifying, you should be able to get it but it definitely has sulfates, not sure about cones.
I have a homemade mineral remover but it involves using some kind of shampoo. It would help remove the soap scum too. Let me know if you are interested in it.

 

[lindakschickens]

Did you know dry crunchy ends can be a sign of mineral build up from hard water? There are special shampoos that will dissolve the minerals. One of the best is Joico clarifying, you should be able to get it but it definitely has sulfates, not sure about cones.
I have a homemade mineral remover but it involves using some kind of shampoo. It would help remove the soap scum too. Let me know if you are interested in it.

If it helps with mineral build up and soap scumb I'm in I like testing things if you have not noticed lol. Thanks again

 

[Obsidian]

Sounds like me lol. Take 2-3 vitamin C tablets, crush into a fine powder and mix into roughly 1/4 cup shampoo. Apply to damp hair, lather well and let sit for 10 minutes. Rinse well and shampoo again to remove residue. Condition if needed or apply a liberal amount of fresh aloe gel.
Do not use if you have fun colored hair, it will fade the color. It shouldn't bother your henna, it doesn't mine. It can also fade regular box dye.
This can be a bit drying for some people but its never bothered my hair, leaves it soft, shiny and manageable. I use it every month or so, it also seems to help my seborrheic dermatitis.

 

[lindakschickens]

Sounds like me lol. Take 2-3 vitamin C tablets, crush into a fine powder and mix into roughly 1/4 cup shampoo. Apply to damp hair, lather well and let sit for 10 minutes. Rinse well and shampoo again to remove residue. Condition if needed or apply a liberal amount of fresh aloe gel.
Do not use if you have fun colored hair, it will fade the color. It shouldn't bother your henna, it doesn't mine. It can also fade regular box dye.
This can be a bit drying for some people but its never bothered my hair, leaves it soft, shiny and manageable. I use it every month or so, it also seems to help my seborrheic dermatitis.

Sounds like what I needed when I dyed my hair blue green good that stuff was a pain to shift!. Thanks I'll try that with one of the shampoos I have that is sls,paraben, minerial oil etc free. Sadly I bought it when I was seeing my parents over Thanksgiving last year and it's way cheaper there it's Shea moisture it's the only thing my head and hair has not reacted to but it's like $20 per shampoo and conditioner over here and they don't even carry the kids line as it was great for my DD.

 

[Obsidian]

I've heard good things about shea moisture, I can't use it myself do to all the oils. I belong to a hair forum, the member are quite fanatical about hair care, I've asked them for UK brand recommendations.

 

[lindakschickens]

I've heard good things about shea moisture, I can't use it myself do to all the oils. I belong to a hair forum, the member are quite fanatical about hair care, I've asked them for UK brand recommendations.

My hair and may daughters love the oils I think this is due to our genes as my family tree has Native American Indian and possibly African American on my mother's side but no one is willing to say ya or nae to African American which I find sad really.

But we do have to watch out how much and how often we oil our head and hair.

There is a hair forum?

 

[earlene]

Just a note on how to elicit the kinds of responses/solutions to a specific question/problem that you really want to hear about. Please bear with me, as this is meant in the most sincere hoping to find a road to a solution kind of way. Perhaps simply mentioning only that part of the topic and leaving out the rest would make it less likely for folks to react to the hot button topics.

I have to apologize for not reading through your first post in this thread before I started responding the first time. I did not see your question until the end of the post, but by that time, I had already thought of sharing my experience on the first part of that post. Then I saw the question (after hitting send) and did respond to that specifically in my next post.

Regarding the shortcoming of formulating an answer before I finish reading the post, I am guilty, and I do have to work on that. I try not to do that in F2F conversations, but it's harder in the written format, for some reason.

Incidentally, if you do intend to look up that youtube I mentioned, I wish I could give you the link, but unfortunately I lost it when my hard drive failed a few months ago.

NB: Although your thread title says what it says, some folks, me included, use the new posts link at the top and open them all up at once, then just read through without realizing what forum they're in let alone the actual thread title. Not an excuse, just a fact.

 

[Obsidian]

My hair and may daughters love the oils I think this is due to our genes as my family tree has Native American Indian and possibly African American on my mother's side but no one is willing to say ya or nae to African American which I find sad really.

But we do have to watch out how much and how often we oil our head and hair.

There is a hair forum?

Yes there is, its a forum focused on care and growing to extreme lengths. https://forums.longhaircommunity.com/forum.php

This is one of the responses I got about UK products.
I like the Noughty range, everything is sulphate and silicone free. Superdrug stock some of the products, otherwise they can be ordered online. Full price is about £7 a bottle but they’re usually on offer somewhere. I was looking earlier today and Feel Unique are doing 3 for 2, or discounts on individual products.

 

[lindakschickens]

Just a note on how to elicit the kinds of responses/solutions to a specific question/problem that you really want to hear about. Please bear with me, as this is meant in the most sincere hoping to find a road to a solution kind of way. Perhaps simply mentioning only that part of the topic and leaving out the rest would make it less likely for folks to react to the hot button topics.

I have to apologize for not reading through your first post in this thread before I started responding the first time. I did not see your question until the end of the post, but by that time, I had already thought of sharing my experience on the first part of that post. Then I saw the question (after hitting send) and did respond to that specifically in my next post.

Regarding the shortcoming of formulating an answer before I finish reading the post, I am guilty, and I do have to work on that. I try not to do that in F2F conversations, but it's harder in the written format, for some reason.

Incidentally, if you do intend to look up that youtube I mentioned, I wish I could give you the link, but unfortunately I lost it when my hard drive failed a few months ago.

NB: Although your thread title says what it says, some folks, me included, use the new posts link at the top and open them all up at once, then just read through without realizing what forum they're in let alone the actual thread title. Not an excuse, just a fact.

I will be looking up what you stated. I get what you mean and have no problem with people jumping in I do have issue tho when someone is told the real question but disregards it and/ the ops own experience/ info. I normally take everything with a grain of salt and weigh it against like things like lye vs non lye products in this case.

Obsidian thank you I'll check both out!

 

[Obsidian]

@lindakschickens here are a couple more suggestions. Make to sure read ingredients, I didn't check these brands.

Kind natured or Maui moisture, which is on offer in Boots

and

Natura Siberica

 

[cmzaha]

YOU are the rude one. BTW Licensed Cosmetologist with several additional certificates if you must know. I do not look down my nose at anyone so take it as you want

 

[lindakschickens]

YOU are the rude one. BTW Licensed Cosmetologist with several additional certificates if you must know. I do not look down my nose at anyone so take it as you want

No your the rude one as you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact it's not just lye based products that can mess up your hair plus add the fact you add all new soap makers to the same pot and state as a fact they all think the same which they don't.Great your a cosmetologist yet you still ignore the FACT that BOTH lye based and non lye base cause issues. Why don't you block or ignore me or are you one that likes to have the last word? either way I personally don't want anything to do with you and yes you employ scare tactics in IMHO by saying lye base wrecks hair when it is a FACT again that both lye based and non lye back can wreck hair. so good luck to whatever it is you do. ignored

 

[lindakschickens]

@lindakschickens here are a couple more suggestions. Make to sure read ingredients, I didn't check these brands.

Kind natured or Maui moisture, which is on offer in Boots

and

Natura Siberica

I have heard of Maui small bottles high price but if it's good and I don't need to wash my hair every day it might be worth it. I'll look into kinda nature, natura siberica and own brands from superdrug and sainburys. Thank you for letting me know about these. I will admit I bough the noughty (believe that is spelled right) shampoo and conditioner to try out. I'll admit I ended up giving in and washing my hair with my normal stuff because my husband let me know at the last minute of a company dinner (groans) and I did not feel like taking greasy looking transitioning hair to dinner. The hubby still don't like how the normal stuff makes my hair feel thin when I actually have quite thick hair he thought it was nicer and thicker when I used my lye based shampoo bar. So next course of action is try and use up all my non lye base (turns out family and friends don't like the brands I have) don't want to waste it and slowly start the transition to more natural and/or lye based products. I believe if I would have kept going my hair would have adjusted I will keep doing citric acid rinses in between washes tho as that was nice and help reduce the greasy feel.

 

[Obsidian]

Have you tried using shampoo but no conditioner? Could be conditioner just weights your hair down too much.