homemade hair perfume/hair refesher spray?

[lindakschickens]

Is quite nice to hear someone else is using a bar for shampooing as well! I have actually found it helpful to my bad condition scalp. As for the FO, I would try a smaller section of hair first. Many of the oils are made differently and unless researched cannot tell what or how they've been made. I miss the shampoo smell also. But I use light body sprays when hair is still wet . A just a small spritz as to not dry it out . Everyone's skin and hair react differently to different things often we don't know until trying. Another option u can try is making your own flower hydrosol. I've read up some on this it's basically a simple flower water. I use a rose one from the flowers in my yard. It's also a great face toner! Amazing! Here's a link how to make http://dandelionessherbals.blogspot.com/2013/08/do-it-yourself-hydrosols-making-and.html?m=1

Thank you I will be checking this out!

 

[TeresaGG]

thank you for letting me know about sodium laurate I will need to do more indepth research as my searches keeps calling it sls.

SLS
noun

1. short for sodium lauryl sulfate.

IUPAC name
Sodium dodecyl sulfate
Other names
Sodium monododecyl sulfate; Sodium lauryl sulfate; Sodium monolauryl sulfate; Sodium dodecanesulfate; Sodium coco-sulfate; dodecyl alcohol, hydrogen sulfate, sodium salt; n-dodecyl sulfate sodium; Sulfuric acid monododecyl ester sodium salt;

Sodium dodecyl sulfate (SDS), synonymously sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS), or sodium laurilsulfate, is a synthetic organic compoundwith the formula CH3(CH2)11SO4 Na. It is an anionic surfactant used in many cleaning and hygiene products. The sodium salt is of an organosulfate class of organics. It consists of a 12-carbon tail attached to a sulfate group, that is, it is the sodium salt of dodecyl hydrogen sulfate, the ester of dodecyl alcoholand sulfuric acid. Its hydrocarbon tail combined with a polar "headgroup" give the compound amphiphilic properties and so make it useful as a detergent.[not verified in body]Also derived as a component of mixtures produced from inexpensive coconut and palm oils, SDS is a common component of many domestic cleaning, personal hygiene and cosmetic, pharmaceutical, and food products, as well as of industrial and commercial cleaning and products.
Edit: from wikipedia

 

[lindakschickens]

SHAMPOO BARS
Many soapers make and use lye-based shampoo bars and lye-based liquid shampoo. Myself included. It's important to rinse thoroughly after shampooing, with increasingly cool water until it's as cold as you can stand it to close the hair shaft. Follow up with a vinegar rinse to restore the acid mantle of the scalp. Beer is another option. I have a parsley/lemon rinse recipe in my files that's quite nice if interested.

When I first tried a shampoo bar in 2004 it took about a year for my hair to get used to it. I even went back to OTC shampoo a few times during that year. This is typical of other soapers' experience as well. Once my hair adjusted, I've used whatever bar that we happened to be test driving in the shower without any negative effects.

LIQUID SHAMPOO
I now make and use my own Flaxseed & Rosin (Liquid) Shampoo, Hog Wash Hair & Body (Liquid) Shampoo (50/50 PKO & Lard), & Dr. Bronner's Type Baby Mild (Liquid) Castile Soap and just love the results. I don't even need conditioner. But I do use a few drops of Argan Oil to add shine and nourish the hair.

Read more about Shampoo Bars on the Chagrin Valley Site. Links:

Why Use A Natural Shampoo Bar?
https://www.chagrinvalleysoapandsalve.com/blog/posts/why-use-a-natural-shampoo-bar/

Everything About Shampoo Bars
https://www.chagrinvalleysoapandsalve.com/blog/posts/everything-about-shampoo-bars/

On another note, you may want to try Polysorbate 80. Link:

Polysorbate 80 as shampoo
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/shampoo-bars-again.64936/#post-664547


Yes. You can do just that but it will need shaking every time you use it. For 100 ml batch:
70% water
20% alcohol (preservative)
6% Polysorbate 20 or 80
1-3% fragrance (to preference)
1% glycerin (to stick)

A couple of other things that come to mind...

Add fragrance to argan oil (or oil of choice) at a rate of 1%. Work a drop or two into towel-dried hair and comb through.

ZANY'S BASIC HAIR CONDITIONER WITH LEMON (Use normal lotion making method)
Makes 200 grams = approx. 7 oz.

178 grams water (89%)
8 grams (2 tsp.) ReaLemon Lemon Juice Concentrate (4%)
6 grams coconut oil (3%) (or oil of your choice)
8 grams BTMS (Conditioning Emulsifier) (4%)
1 gram (1/4 tsp.) Liquid Germall Plus (0.5%)
1/2 teaspoon fragrance

To use: Put a small dollop in your hand. Rub palms together. Work into ends first, then scalp. Comb through. Wrap hair in a towel for 5-10 minutes, then rinse with increasingly cool water until hair squeaks.

NOTES: This basic hair conditioner is quick and easy to make. Feel free to play around with whatever oils/butters/additives you like. Just remember to reduce the amount of water to keep the formula balanced at 100%. Coconut oil is very conditioning for most types of hair, but your hair might like something else.

I did wash my hair early this morning with my shampoo bar I used hot water (not to hot tho) and scrubed (intense massage more like it) my scalp and hair to get excess oils and stuff out did that for about 2-4 mins then used my shampoo bar rinsed with warm and went cool then grabbed my pitcher of cold citric acid and water mix and poured it on bloody hell was it cold.But my root area and the 1 and some odd inch from that greasy area don't really feel greasy or as greasy now.

I am sure it's just my hair getting use to it. And thank you for the recipes I will be trying these out.. oo parsley/lemon rinse that sounds nice.

I'll defo be looking into doing these recipes. Thanks

SLS
noun

1. short for sodium lauryl sulfate.

IUPAC name
Sodium dodecyl sulfate
Other names
Sodium monododecyl sulfate; Sodium lauryl sulfate; Sodium monolauryl sulfate; Sodium dodecanesulfate; Sodium coco-sulfate; dodecyl alcohol, hydrogen sulfate, sodium salt; n-dodecyl sulfate sodium; Sulfuric acid monododecyl ester sodium salt;

Sodium dodecyl sulfate (SDS), synonymously sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS), or sodium laurilsulfate, is a synthetic organic compoundwith the formula CH3(CH2)11SO4 Na. It is an anionic surfactant used in many cleaning and hygiene products. The sodium salt is of an organosulfate class of organics. It consists of a 12-carbon tail attached to a sulfate group, that is, it is the sodium salt of dodecyl hydrogen sulfate, the ester of dodecyl alcoholand sulfuric acid. Its hydrocarbon tail combined with a polar "headgroup" give the compound amphiphilic properties and so make it useful as a detergent.[not verified in body]Also derived as a component of mixtures produced from inexpensive coconut and palm oils, SDS is a common component of many domestic cleaning, personal hygiene and cosmetic, pharmaceutical, and food products, as well as of industrial and commercial cleaning and products.
Edit: from wikipedia

Thanks for the info on SLS. I'm trying to stay away from palm oil products because of the issues surrounding it. I have no problem with SLS other then that, I did more searching on the one melt and pour shampoo that what linked while it says SLS free on the main companies site, but those that sell it it says it can contain 1%-5% of SLS so not really free of SLS if that is the case but thanks for letting me know about this product and found the company is quite popular over here for those that want to make soap but not deal with lye specially those with kids.

 

[dixiedragon]

I'm toying with the idea of making a leave-in hair conditioner. I just recently started using this and love it:
https://www.lushusa.com/hair/hair-treatments/randb/03080.html

Oat Milk (Avena Sativa) Glycerine Organic Avocado Butter (Persea Gratissima) Fair Trade Olive Oil (Olea Europaea) Glyceryl Stearate & PEG-100 Stearate Fragrance Cetearyl Alcohol Extra Virgin Coconut Oil (Cocos Nucifera) Cold Pressed Organic Jojoba Oil (Simmondsia Chinensis) Orange Flower Absolute (Citrus Aurantium Amara) Jasmine Absolute (Jasminum Grandiflorum) Cupuacu Butter (Theobroma Grandiflorum) Phenoxyethanol Benzyl Alcohol Candelilla Wax (Euphorbia Cerifera) *Benzyl Salicylate *Citral *Eugenol *Geraniol *Hydroxycitronellal *Isoeugenol *Benzyl Benzoate *Farnesol *Limonene *Linalool Butylphenyl Methylpropional

I think it's basically a lotion recipe formulated for hair? I love it because it stops my hair from getting knots and it smells REALLY good. I'm wondering if you could start with something very simple, such as some oil (coconut, olive, whatever) and a few drops of scent. Shake well, put a few drops on your hands and run through your hair.

 

[DeeAnna]

....before we had the shampoo's and conditioner's we now know we had lye based soap which was used to clean everything even hair. My great grandma used lye based soap to wash her hair for most of her life and had no issues with it....

Bear in mind there are significant generational differences -- what worked for grandma will not automatically work well for granddaughter.

If a person only washes her hair once a week or less often, as most people did in my grandmother's day, then using lye-based soap on the hair is probably tolerable. But using lye-based soap for washing hair every day or multiple times a week as most people do nowadays? That is honestly not a good idea.

 

[lindakschickens]

I'm toying with the idea of making a leave-in hair conditioner. I just recently started using this and love it:
https://www.lushusa.com/hair/hair-treatments/randb/03080.html

Oat Milk (Avena Sativa) Glycerine Organic Avocado Butter (Persea Gratissima) Fair Trade Olive Oil (Olea Europaea) Glyceryl Stearate & PEG-100 Stearate Fragrance Cetearyl Alcohol Extra Virgin Coconut Oil (Cocos Nucifera) Cold Pressed Organic Jojoba Oil (Simmondsia Chinensis) Orange Flower Absolute (Citrus Aurantium Amara) Jasmine Absolute (Jasminum Grandiflorum) Cupuacu Butter (Theobroma Grandiflorum) Phenoxyethanol Benzyl Alcohol Candelilla Wax (Euphorbia Cerifera) *Benzyl Salicylate *Citral *Eugenol *Geraniol *Hydroxycitronellal *Isoeugenol *Benzyl Benzoate *Farnesol *Limonene *Linalool Butylphenyl Methylpropional

I think it's basically a lotion recipe formulated for hair? I love it because it stops my hair from getting knots and it smells REALLY good. I'm wondering if you could start with something very simple, such as some oil (coconut, olive, whatever) and a few drops of scent. Shake well, put a few drops on your hands and run through your hair.

Been paying with the idea of a leave in condioner to. Funny enough I made a lotion of sorts with Shea and cocoa butter along with EVOO, sweet almond oil and a few other oils and aloe vera gel along some french lavender EO feel great on my skin and just rubbed some into my ends maybe a hr ago and I have a very light lavender smell and my ends seem to be smoother and not oily

 

[Zany_in_CO]

I did wash my hair early this morning with my shampoo bar I used hot water (not to hot tho) and scrubed (intense massage more like it) my scalp and hair to get excess oils and stuff out did that for about 2-4 mins then used my shampoo bar rinsed with warm and went cool then grabbed my pitcher of cold citric acid and water mix and poured it on bloody hell was it cold.But my root area and the 1 and some odd inch from that greasy area don't really feel greasy or as greasy now.

Here's a link to a thread that addresses the problems you're having:

SHAMPOO BAR RESIDUE
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/shampoo-bar-residue.47769/

This is a good one too:
https://jrliggett.com/faq#best-results

 

[lindakschickens]

Bear in mind there are significant generational differences -- what worked for grandma will not automatically work well for granddaughter.

If a person only washes her hair once a week or less often, as most people did in my grandmother's day, then using lye-based soap on the hair is probably tolerable. But using lye-based soap for washing hair every day or multiple times a week as most people do nowadays? That is honestly not a good idea.

While yes what works for one might not work for another which I'm sure I have said in a previous post does not mean it will not work. And honestly washing hair every day to me is bad for hair regardless of if it's lye based or not. Heck I only wasy hair 2-3 a week at most. And all my shampoos and conditioners have a high pH then my bar of soap some I'm pretty sure those are worse for my hair then my bar soap and citric acid rinse.

Also my question did not relate to what I wash my hair with as that is my own personal choice. Why some felt the need critique my choice and use scare tactics to dissuade from using my own or others lye based products does annoy.

I get some of you have had bad experiences but that does not mean everyone will suffer the same way as you nor does it mean what you say is a whole fact i.e your hair will fall out or you'll have to cut it all off if you use x. That may have happened to you but might not happen to someone else as everyone is different.

Now if we could just focus on my question and not my choice if hair wash that would be great .

And thank you Zany_in_CO I will be reading that.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

oo parsley/lemon rinse that sounds nice.

PARSLEY LEMON HAIR RINSE
(Source: Making Soaps & Scents by Catherine Bardey)

The juice of one lemon
2 ounces finely chopped parsley
8 ounces of water

Bring water to boil. Add parsley and let stand for 5 minutes. Strain. Add lemon juice and allow to cool. Slowly pour rinse onto towel-dried hair. Keep your eyes shut as the high level of acidity will sting. Rinse thoroughly with increasingly cool water until it’s as cold as you can stand it.

 

[dixiedragon]

While yes what works for one might not work for another which I'm sure I have said in a previous post does not mean it will not work. And honestly washing hair every day to me is bad for hair regardless of if it's lye based or not. Heck I only wasy hair 2-3 a week at most. And all my shampoos and conditioners have a high pH then my bar of soap some I'm pretty sure those are worse for my hair then my bar soap and citric acid rinse.

Also my question did not relate to what I wash my hair with as that is my own personal choice. Why some felt the need critique my choice and use scare tactics to dissuade from using my own or others lye based products does annoy.

I get some of you have had bad experiences but that does not mean everyone will suffer the same way as you nor does it mean what you say is a whole fact i.e your hair will fall out or you'll have to cut it all off if you use x. That may have happened to you but might not happen to someone else as everyone is different.

Now if we could just focus on my question and not my choice if hair wash that would be great .

And thank you Zany_in_CO I will be reading that.

I think the reason you are getting such dire warnings is that long hair is the result of years of growth. If you make a soap recipe that doesn't work in your face, you might get some dryness or some irritation or some acne, which (generally speaking) should clear up pretty quickly. But we've had a few posters on here who had to cut off a foot of hair and that's not something easily remedied!

You may want to check out Swift Crafty Monkey. She's got some good discussions of shampoo recipes, you might find one that doesn't have the ingredients you are allergic to. You can also try Etsy, maybe purchase a bar and see if you like it.

 

[LilyJo]

I dont really like weighing into these back and forth discussions but I wanted to add my tuppence!

Shampoo bars are so trendy this year, I have never seen so many requests and comments on social media for solid shampoo and in truth a large part of the requests are often as a desire to be 'greener' or to go plastic free with very little thought on the implications of doing so. I suspect that many of the comments on SMF come from seeing that and also personal and customer experience with using soap as shampoo.

Many people cannot get on with soap as shampoo and having seen the damage done up close are keen that anyone who goes down that route understands the implications of what they are doing - some of the soapers on here have many years of soap, bath and body experience as well as a great deal of scientific or chemistry knowledge. It is absolutely your choice to go down that route but by coming on SMF it is their choice to voice their opinion on soap as shampoo.

Incidentally, you would have got the same reaction had you said you were making baby soap or soap for dogs - at the end of the day its your choice to accept or ignore whatever advice you are given.

SLS is very often the main trigger for people in commercial shampoo or body wash and if you are trying to go 'natural' you would be wise to ignore it completely. SLES is milder but is still known as a trigger ingredient for many.

As was said earlier, Sukin are a great brand and make great no nasties shampoo - I cant use it as its too mild for my hair and doesnt get it clean. Soap makes my hair feel like straw no matter what I do. My choice.

I would also say that natural doesnt mean better for you or your skin or hair - essential oils can be just as toxic as chemicals and many FOs these days contain the same compounds as are found in EOs. If you use FO or EO, be careful of what they are diluted into and the percentage, some are much more dilute than others.

If you are making a refresher, its essentially a perfume or a rinse (one leave on and the other a wash off) so the maximum usage percentage will vary, many leave on can be as low as 1% depending on the compound so check the IFRA statement.

Best of luck with formulating your rinse - you hit on an emotive subject for sure!

 

[shunt2011]

They aren't using scare tactics, speaking from personal experience isn't a tactic, it's fact from their experience. You are free to do as you like. You're an adult it's totally up to you if you want to risk it. I'm one who was very sorry she did.

My husband uses my soap for shampoo...........then again he doesn't have much to lose either.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

Also my question did not relate to what I wash my hair with as that is my own personal choice. Why some felt the need critique my choice and use scare tactics to dissuade from using my own or others lye based products does annoy. ... Now if we could just focus on my question and not my choice if hair wash that would be great .

And thank you Zany_in_CO I will be reading that.

You're welcome, Linda! BTW, it annoys me too! Sometimes members think because they are "right" they have a right to be rude to newcomers. Sad, really, but they should be forgiven because they mean well and just want to be helpful.

I try hard to ignore them and not respond to OT ("Off Topic") comments. As the OP ("Original Poster") only you can ask Administration (Angie) to remove any and all comments in this thread that are not on topic or that you find rude or offensive. Not that it will work, mind you, but you can ask. You need to make a list of post #'s and send them off to Admin/Mods or post them here:
SMF Announcements, Comments, Help & Rules

If only we could get this thread back on topic, I would love to see what others come up with. Cross fingers.

 

[lindakschickens]

Thank you Zany_in_CO I'll give it a go.

Dixiedragon I suffered acne for years the only thing that did help it was a lye based soap that used tallow tea tree and green tea and I can't remember what else but I never found it again and have lived with acne for years. I get if it's not good on your face to be weary of it but I used this bar on my face and had no reaction before I tried it on my hair this bar leaves my face clean and soft which was a nice surprise.

I get people wanting to inform and help others but when you have people that throw all lye based products together and claim they make hair fall out I really don't believe it because what one person thinks is major hair falling out others call shedding.

LilyJoe I have no problem with people stateing their experience/view what I do have a issue with is people who might not have tried it lump all lye based products together and start using scare tactics like it will make your hair fall out. But thank you for the other great info.

Shunt2011.It is a scare tactic if you have not personally experienced a bad reaction and are only repeating what someone else said. Which in this day and age a lot of people do. So forgive me if I take everything with a grain of salt because of this.

I want to state I have shoulder length hair on one side of my head (my new perfered hair cut) it's thick hair or least it was before a lunatic with some thinning shears decided for me that my hair was too thick for it's own good. Most of the normal shampoos and conditioners I have used of late have left me with scalp irritations and have left my hair flat, feeling even thinner then what it is and straw like. I always have had bad shedding (hair fall) no matter what I use so not worried about that. Since changing over to my lye base my hair feels thicker albeit a lil greasy due to the change.

 

[cmzaha]

You're welcome, Linda! BTW, it annoys me too! Sometimes members think because they are "right" they have a right to be rude to newcomers. Sad, really, but they should be forgiven because they mean well and just want to be helpful.

I try hard to ignore them and not respond to OT ("Off Topic") comments. As the OP ("Original Poster") only you can ask Administration (Angie) to remove any and all comments in this thread that are not on topic or that you find rude or offensive. Not that it will work, mind you, but you can ask. You need to make a list of post #'s and send them off to Admin/Mods or post them here:
SMF Announcements, Comments, Help & Rules

If only we could get this thread back on topic, I would love to see what others come up with.

Many times a topic takes on a life of it's own and will lead to other discussions. If you are calling me out as rude so be it. OP asked why her hair is greasy using shampoo bars aka soap bars. I know you have mentioned using them for years that is great, but do not call us "Rude" for trying to warn someone of the very possible repercussions of using soap. Charles from the Wen product got his backside sued big time and his soap based shampoo is now off the market. I really do not know why you would think the posts should be removed. Not all lab made surfactants are bad, without them we would not have No Tear Baby Shampoo and would be buring the children's eyes with "Soap," which is probably not a great thing to do. Using a bar soap for hair once a week may never catch up, using it multiple times per week, may very well catch up. We all have choices, and we were just trying to point out what could happen. "Could" not guarantee

I really do not think I need to be "Forgiven," for hopefully mentioning they are risking damage, but to say you use it with great success if okay, Hum.... I shall now slink away, but remember beautiful long hair can take 10 yrs to grow and it takes less than an hour to cut if all off.

 

[dixiedragon]

Thank you Zany_in_CO I'll give it a go.

Dixiedragon I suffered acne for years the only thing that did help it was a lye based soap that used tallow tea tree and green tea and I can't remember what else but I never found it again and have lived with acne for years. I get if it's not good on your face to be weary of it but I used this bar on my face and had no reaction before I tried it on my hair this bar leaves my face clean and soft which was a nice surprise.

I get people wanting to inform and help others but when you have people that throw all lye based products together and claim they make hair fall out I really don't believe it because what one person thinks is major hair falling out others call shedding.

LilyJoe I have no problem with people stateing their experience/view what I do have a issue with is people who might not have tried it lump all lye based products together and start using scare tactics like it will make your hair fall out. But thank you for the other great info.

Shunt2011.It is a scare tactic if you have not personally experienced a bad reaction and are only repeating what someone else said. Which in this day and age a lot of people do. So forgive me if I take everything with a grain of salt because of this.

I want to state I have shoulder length hair on one side of my head (my new perfered hair cut) it's thick hair or least it was before a lunatic with some thinning shears decided for me that my hair was too thick for it's own good. Most of the normal shampoos and conditioners I have used of late have left me with scalp irritations and have left my hair flat, feeling even thinner then what it is and straw like. I always have had bad shedding (hair fall) no matter what I use so not worried about that. Since changing over to my lye base my hair feels thicker albeit a lil greasy due to the change.

Generally we're not talking about falling out / shedding - we're talking about the high pH of lye-based soap (vs an artificial surfectant) affecting the hair shaft itself, vs the follical. As one poster said, once hair comes out of the folicle, it's dead. It can't heal, so if you want long hair you have to preserve it. Soap makes hair brittle and much more prone to breakage.

Have you looked into soapwort and soap nuts? I personally haven't tried them but I have read of some people getting good results.

 

[lindakschickens]

Cmzaha the only reason a thread takes on a "life" of it's own is normally due to people posting off the original topic. while yes it can help other times it does not.

Also in my original post I said and I quote "Since I just stated getting into soap making that also means I'm using my own or other's homemade lye based shampoo/body bars to wash my hair but we have hard water and my hair is left greasy as sin, believe this is due to hard water and my hair use to being stripped then coated in demithicone (think that is spelled right or at lest close to) and is transitioning to the shampoo bar/soap but I will admit I miss the smell that shampoo's and conditioner's left on my hair.

I know some people use water and EO's in a spray bottle to refresh the hair but can you use FO's (fragrance oils) in their place?"

So no I did not ask WHY my hair was greasy using a shampoo bar I chalked it up to my hair getting use to it.

There are also repercussions of using normal shampoos and conditioner and everything else on this planet not just lye base items. what is true and fact for you might not be true and fact for others please bear this in mind. I don't mind people saying their personal experiences but some people don't state their own experience they state others (who they may or may not know) which may or may not be true as a solid irrefutable fact as to why a certain product should not be used.

There are exceptions like everything like wen products . Also have you ever gotten no more tears baby shampoo in your eyes? I have it burns like hell just like every other soap. no soap to me is tear free.

Also draw backs to lye based shampoo bars are around on par with normal shampoo's if the lye based shampoo bars are made right i.e no lye heaviness. but that is my view.

Again to me trying to use a scare tactic " but remember beautiful long hair can take 10 yrs to grow and it takes less than an hour to cut if all off". You can have beautiful long hair and use lye based shampoo it all depends on you and your hair! and if you really can be bothered taking care of it.

Dixiedragon the issue with that to me is unless your going to a DR who is qualified to say ya or nae that x item was the reason why your hair fell out causing your follicle died in the first place then it is just a unproven claim. Most lye based soaps that are done right varies from ph 8-10 some say up to 11 but weary of that. Again all of my normal shampoo and conditioners range around the same ph of 8-10 as a lye base soap. Do you know the normal ph range for a surfectant based shampoo? My own lye base shampoo bar has a ph of 8-9 so I think ph wise my bar soap is ok once compared to my normal shampoo's and such.

Also I want to point out that there are two known factors can cause hair follicles to die permanently and completely: hereditary baldness and scarring. Hereditary baldness affects hair follicles, causing them to shrink and become more superficially rooted in the skin, according to MayoClinic.com.As the condition progresses, hair growth becomes finer and weaker. Eventually the follicle closes and dies completely, resulting in complete, permanent baldness. Scarring of the skin tissue may also permanently kill hair follicles, preventing further hair growth.

Hair also goes through phases of active growth, death and rest called the anagen, catagen and telogen phases. The anagen phase lasts approximately two to six years, during which hair grows 1 centimeter every four weeks. During the catagen phase, follicles undergo a cyclical, temporary death. During the telogen phase, the hair sheds. So again the issue is proving if it's the complete death of a follical and if it's based on genes or on what your using to wash your hair or it might just be going through a phase.

Also I have used soap nuts in the past and I used them with amla, retha and shikaki (believe that's how they are spelled) boiled it all down in water til I got about half of what I stated with and used it with a ACV rinse which while it left my hair nice and soft and shiny (which is what my lye base shampoo soap and citric acid rinse is doing now) only down side was it was watery and hard to make sure I did not over use or under use. But my hair was nice so it is a option if my shampoo bar sucks!

While I thank those being concerned etc and stating their own experiences, again it does not make it a 100% irrefutable fact it just makes it fact for you and your hair type.

 

[cmzaha]

gain to me trying to use a scare tactic " but remember beautiful long hair can take 10 yrs to grow and it takes less than an hour to cut if all off". You can have beautiful long hair and use lye based shampoo it all depends on you and your hair! and if you really can be bothered taking care of it.

Not a scare tactic, just putting it out there. In my 30 plus years of working with hair, I saw many things go wrong and many go right. Simply do what you want, I simply stated what can happen. Not my hair not my risk.... I also did not find it off topic. You asked why your hair was greasy from the soap, so either to much free oil in the bar or your scalp is reacting with higher oil, since the bar soap is more stripping

 

[Obsidian]

Linda, no one is using scare tactics or trying to be rude, you are just taking the advice the wrong way.

People are just trying to help. Many members here, myself included has had their hair completely ruined by lye based soap.

It took two years for the damage to catch up with me. In those two years, I loved my shampoo bars and tried to get everyone I know to switch. Then suddenly my hair started breaking off in huge chunks, I had the shave my head. Not short, shaved, like a man.

I had everyone I gave shampoo bars stop using them. I didn't want to be responsible for damage to their hair.

Yes, some people can use lye based soap with no issues but most can't. You might not notice the damage until it's too late.

Curious, how are you testing the ph of your products? The strips are notorious for being wrong. I really can't imagine commercial shampoo having such a high ph.

 

[lindakschickens]

gain to me trying to use a scare tactic " but remember beautiful long hair can take 10 yrs to grow and it takes less than an hour to cut if all off". You can have beautiful long hair and use lye based shampoo it all depends on you and your hair! and if you really can be bothered taking care of it.

Not a scare tactic, just putting it out there. In my 30 plus years of working with hair, I saw many things go wrong and many go right. Simply do what you want, I simply stated what can happen. Not my hair not my risk.... I also did not find it off topic. You asked why your hair was greasy from the soap, so either to much free oil in the bar or your scalp is reacting with higher oil, since the bar soap is more stripping

Again I did NOT ask why my hair was greasy I chalked it up to my hair getting use to the shampoo bar (in hind sight I also think the hard water don't help) I also stated what was going on with my hair. At no point did I ask why my hair was like that period please get that right. I DID however ask can I use FO's to make a hair refresher nothing more.

Again shampoo's and even conditioners strip oil from the hair which leads to over production which shampoo bars can do the same both can be harsh. The difference one has quite a few synthetics that I personally react to on does not, I know how wrong hair can go from bad shampoo's and conditioners to hair dye and bleach in fact I have fried my hair about 3 times with bleach in the last 10 years I have no bald spots right now I'm happy to report. The issue I have is all these issue that most are stating can be found in normal shampoo's conditioners hair dyes etc it's not just lye based.

In my opinion Shampoo (like shampoo bars) do not condition hair it strips it of oils, Conditioners are said to add moisture but if used on their own they strip the hair just like shampoo. the only reason shampoo and conditioner seem to make hair soft and look healthy is demithicone.

Obsidian I want to start off with where did I say or imply people to be rude? if anything I implied I might be rude with out meaning to be. Scare Tactics is a strategy intended to manipulate opinion about a particular issue/item by arousing fear or alarm, sorry but by saying your hair will fall out you will go bald etc etc if you use lye based products are a scare tactic of sorts specially when the same can happen if you use non lye based shampoos etc. I had strips and my husband bought me something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FDYS5S6/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20 I used both and both seem to be with in ph 0.5-1 of each other. I also tested all my own shampoo and conditioners which total around to 6-8 different brands. These are my findings with what I have available to me this is also my personal experience with my own hair etc. Again while I respect your views one must remember nothing works for everyone I also knew for the most part the possible issues which funny enough are the same with normal shampoo. I'm sorry lye base did not work for you and I understand why you would be worried about other people whom you gave shampoo bars too I would be worried as well but they may or may not have had issues like yours. Also I'm curious did you go to a dr and ask for their input or maybe have some sort of test(s) run? truly I am sorry you went through that but that's not to say it will happen to me or anyone else

I really wish people would get back on track to the original question I asked which is not got anything to do with me shampooing with lye based soap but if I can use a FO to make a hair refresher.