Demystifying Scent Notes

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So many PDFs to download and links to bookmark-amazing contributions in here.

Mobjack, I always wondered about "powdery" descriptions, as well as what constitutes "aquatic." I'm glad nobody has taken the note to my real life understanding of "aquatic" which would be diesel, fish guts, Coca Cola, and barf lol!
 
I have always assumed that “powdery“ smells like baby powder, a total turn off for me.
Re clary sage I have been growing it in my garden for a few years - I love the smell which is strong on the flower stalks but some people find it off-putting. Not exactly like the EO - better IMO. Same with rosemary, the EO always smells way too camphory to me, but fresh smells wonderful.
Lots of great resources here can’t wait to dive in.
 
So many PDFs to download and links to bookmark-amazing contributions in here.

Mobjack, I always wondered about "powdery" descriptions, as well as what constitutes "aquatic." I'm glad nobody has taken the note to my real life understanding of "aquatic" which would be diesel, fish guts, Coca Cola, and barf lol!
Having lived near the ocean for over 50 years, I have to say that's an interesting understanding of an aquatic smell!

For me, the smell of ocean in the air is distinctly pleasant, especially when I get close to areas where the seaweed washes ashore. Further from the shore, it's simply the salt-sea air.

But diesel? You must have spent some time on a ship or boat with a diesel engine to equate aquatic with that and barf? I took a fishing trip in Mexico once on a diesel boat, several days of smelling diesel all hours of the day & night. (yuk to the diesel) I get that description (except maybe the Coca Cola part of it), but it was an anomaly in my over-all experience with oceans.

"Powdery" to me is a bit along the lines of baby powder, which is somewhat reminiscent of clean baby butts and freshly washed diapers. Perhaps for a man who didn't change a lot of diapers or use baby powder when doing so, talcum powder might be a better association to the powder scent word. How many men still use talcum powder? I don't even know.
 
Having lived near the ocean for over 50 years, I have to say that's an interesting understanding of an aquatic smell!

For me, the smell of ocean in the air is distinctly pleasant, especially when I get close to areas where the seaweed washes ashore. Further from the shore, it's simply the salt-sea air.

But diesel? You must have spent some time on a ship or boat with a diesel engine to equate aquatic with that and barf? I took a fishing trip in Mexico once on a diesel boat, several days of smelling diesel all hours of the day & night. (yuk to the diesel) I get that description (except maybe the Coca Cola part of it), but it was an anomaly in my over-all experience with oceans.

"Powdery" to me is a bit along the lines of baby powder, which is somewhat reminiscent of clean baby butts and freshly washed diapers. Perhaps for a man who didn't change a lot of diapers or use baby powder when doing so, talcum powder might be a better association to the powder scent word. How many men still use talcum powder? I don't even know.
Yep you've called it-fishing boat heh. I've lived in Southern California most my life and have been to most beaches up and down Orange and Los Angeles counties. Now that I'm the furthest away one might be from a beach I'm sure I'd appreciate em a bit more should I make my way back. Funny enough many of the smells I've associated with the various beaches aren't traditionally "beachy" either, burning wood (bonfires), cooking food (churros, hot dogs, etc), marijuana (Venice beach lol) off the top of my head.
 
Below is the text from the Fixative section of the book by Arctander, which was brought to our attention earlier in this thread by @cherrybleach . Very helpful!

"Fixatives.
In perfumery, a Fixative literally means a material which slows down the rate of evaporation of the more volatile materials in a perfume composition. There are several types of fixative (alsocalled “fixers”):
1) The true fixatives:
These are materials which ****** the evaporation of the other components of the perfume by distinct physical effect. Their effect is that of an adsorption due to the high-molecular structure of the fixative. A typical example of a natural fixative in this group is benzoin.
2) The “arbitrary” fixatives:
These are odorous substances which lend a particular note to the perfume throughout all stages of evaporation. But they do not significantly influence the evaporation of other perfume materials in the composition. A typical example of a natural “arbitrary”fixative is oakmoss.
3) The exalting fixatives:
These materials act as “odor carriers” and often act also as synergists by improving,fortifying or transporting the vapors of the other perfume materials in thecomposition. The exalting fixatives may also lend a highly appreciated “wearability” toa perfume, a combination of diffusive effect and retention of the full fragrance of the perfume, slowly exhaled from the human skin to which it has been applied. Although the effect of these fixatives may be considered a physical one, it is inconceivable that the effect is due to an increase in the boiling point of, the total perfume composition. The effect of these fixatives is often obtained through the addition of mere traces with respect to quantity. Typical exalting fixatives are musk and civet.
4) The so-called fixatives:
These are odorless or almost odorless crystalline materials or viscous liquids. They are high-boiling materials, and their effect is a physical one, caused by simple increase of the boiling point of the perfume composition. Their odor, if they have any, plays a minor role. Their action is merely a stabilizing one which paralyzes the odor of the low-boiling materials. In a way they “steal” effect from the perfume, but they also conceal minor errors, misbalance or “rough corners” in the perfume. A surprisingly large number of “fixatives” from perfumery literature belong to this group. From a perfumer’s standpoint, such additions represent a direct loss of fragrance which, inturn, is an economical loss. A typical natural fixative in group #4 is amyris oil.

One perfume material can belong to one or several of the above groups of fixatives. A true physical fixation in terms of a decreased vapor pressure can never be obtained through the addition of fractions of one percent of a certain material, even if the material conforms to the specifications of group #1 of the above list."
 
Good find. I wonder how point 4 applies to soap. It is definitely more than “fractions of one percent” to have a soap bar consisting of about 80% soap in the narrower sense, and 20% of a complicated glycerol/residual moisture/salt phase…
In my imagination, soap gel does exactly group 4 action: it ties with the scent molecules to lower their vapour pressure.
But it's certainly more complicated than this, because the porosity of soap also alters the evaporation rate, and, more importantly, the olfactory contact time to perfume is hours…days, whereas in soap it's seconds…minutes BUT with very little mobile phase & months of cure/air contact beforehand.
 
Good find. I wonder how point 4 applies to soap. It is definitely more than “fractions of one percent” to have a soap bar consisting of about 80% soap in the narrower sense, and 20% of a complicated glycerol/residual moisture/salt phase…
In my imagination, soap gel does exactly group 4 action: it ties with the scent molecules to lower their vapour pressure.
But it's certainly more complicated than this, because the porosity of soap also alters the evaporation rate, and, more importantly, the olfactory contact time to perfume is hours…days, whereas in soap it's seconds…minutes BUT with very little mobile phase & months of cure/air contact beforehand.

If the soap matrix is important, how do we explain the rapid loss of citrus eos In soap? What do you mean by “ties with the scent molecules”?
 
Isn't the issue with citrus EOs that it's specifically the limonene that doesn't properly get tied by the soap into the crystalline matrix, but evaporates quickly? Or was it alkali-mediated (per)oxidation/polymerisation? Sorry, I can't remember if I had read this somewhere, or I'm just making this up right now. Too late for thorough literature research rn.
 
Isn't the issue with citrus EOs that it's specifically the limonene that doesn't properly get tied by the soap into the crystalline matrix, but evaporates quickly? Or was it alkali-mediated (per)oxidation/polymerisation? Sorry, I can't remember if I had read this somewhere, or I'm just making this up right now. Too late for thorough literature research rn.
Unfortunately, you can’t expect much help from me until I retire and take an organic chemistry class again. 😩
 
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