Deanna, I have a question...

[newbie]

I did! It actually was hot for a while at first. I know this recipe does't like it too hot, so i cooled it down to warm after about 30-40 minutes. Man, I need to make this right next to someone else to see what I'm doing that makes this recipe so long for me.

I let it sit for some time and when I came back, it was still water underneath so I SB'ed briefly. It started becoming grainy so I stirred and SB'ed a bit until it looked like my cellulite. Even with some SB'ing it wouldn't go the lotion stage but I was able to stir it together. I just didn't want the rubber ball thing again. It took a while to get my colors mixed in but it stayed together and I was able to pour, although it didn't go quite like I thought. The truth is in the cutting.

All told, 2 1/2 hours. Shoot me now.

 

[AnnaMarie]

Did you follow the original recipe or did you alter it?

 

[soap_rat]

I've been tempted to try it the "true way," all diluted from the beginning. You are talking me out of that!

 

[newbie]

Follow the recipe to a T, except I'm only making a half batch. I do use FO's but other people do too. No colors until it's together.

If I do it again, I will try the oil plus the lye water and SB'ing to trace, then adding the extra water.

I did not use a SB until I was close to 2 hours into it. This time I stirred with a spatula only, for the first (roughly) 2 hours until I broke down. Stirred slowly for about 30-40 minutes then started taking 10 min breaks until I finally SB'ed it. I swear my house is possessed or something. I use Costco OO, ED food grade lye (fresh bottle today), purified water and although i measure volume-wise, I do it on the scale so I can see if I'm seriously off. I'm usually within 1 ounce and at a 40+ % lye discount, I can't see the 1 ounce being an issue, esp since this is an old recipe that I doubt they weighed out.

This is batch #4. The first two, no heat at all. The third, I warmed the oil/water mix to warm to the touch. On this one #4, I warmed the oils to a higher temp and added the lye water while it was hot. The fastest time I had was on #3, when I warmed it slightly and SB'ed almost the whole time, alternating SB'ers. Took me 1.5 hours that time, or 2 hours with a 30 minute break just before the end.

Sigh.

 

[AnnaMarie]

I don't understand what could be going on??? I use costco olive, food grade lye, and distilled water myself with great results. I also don't think being an ounce or two off is going to drastically affect this recipe. If I weigh (sometimes I weigh, sometimes I measure) this one I just do a straight 32 oz each of water and olive plus the 6 oz lye and 3/4 cup of water for diluting lye. This should come together for you within an hour. I don't get it??? I wish I knew how to help.... I'm sighing with you...

So sorry!!!!

 

[newbie]

Not your fault! I think other people said they stirred slowly but constantly. Maybe I should just stir 5 times altogether, but I'm not confident that would work either. I'm utterly perplexed.

 

[AnnaMarie]

I stirred pretty constantly, but with breaks. It really began to trace after about a half hour or 45 min, but a good thick trace will be around an hour. I never heated anything. I mixed the quart of water and olive together; I combined the lye and 3/4 cup water; I added the lye solution to the olive/water combo and began stirring. I just don't get it....

 

[soap_rat]

So Newbie, what is different about this batch vs. your other batches? This is the warmest batch, and the only batch you tried only hand-stirring (until you decided to SB)? Is the FO a different one from before? How is the duration compared to the first two batches?

 

[FlybyStardancer]

Wow, Flyby, that looks like a tiny trap door swiveled to the side to let the liquid out! I'm guessing the color is from the lye-water picking up one of your colorant? That's what mine did. Once you cut your loaf you'll have better info on whether you might need to rebatch, but if that liquid is lye-water, well, others here lost lye water in their soap too and I think the soaps turned out? (it's getting hard to keep track, maybe we need to make a grid)

The colorants I used were blue and green. It's an amber color, similar to what the water was when the emulsion broke. And I think it might be caustic, because my finger tingled afterwards, until I got it washed off really well.

I'm hesitant to cut into it with those pockets of liquid, especially since I just purchased a cheese slicer board that's bamboo, and I wouldn't want the pockets messing that up.

 

[Pilar]

Get ready to croak soapers...
1 quart (yes, quart) of olive oil
1 quart water
3/4 cup water (to dilute lye)
6oz lye

Yep! Yep! Yep! On all of it. Mix the quart of water and olive oil. Mix the lye in 3/4 cup water. Combine it all (no heating) and it will trace in approx. 20 min. Makes the best castile!
Ill brace myself for the lectures

This recipe is not only Andalusian (I'm Andalusian) is the oldest recipe castile soap and is used for laundry if use oil used (fryer, old) Produce a white soap foam that winning quality one year after cur. It's the old recipe that grandmothers made ​​soap and we called: 6-6-1. That is, 6 liters of water, 6 liters of oil, 1 kilo lye. Some also does 5-5-1.
It is the original castile soap. Is this soap base for liquid detergents also

 

[btz]

This recipe is not only Andalusian (I'm Andalusian) is the oldest recipe castile soap and is used for laundry if use oil used (fryer, old) Produce a white soap foam that winning quality one year after cur. It's the old recipe that grandmothers made ​​soap and we called: 6-6-1. That is, 6 liters of water, 6 liters of oil, 1 kilo lye. Some also does 5-5-1.
It is the original castile soap. Is this soap base for liquid detergents also

Do you also use other oil with this recipe Pilar? Or is it exclusively for castile soap?

Edit: And thank you for the traditional recipe of 6-6-1, it's easier for me to remember and do because I use those measurement

 

[Pilar]

Do you also use other oil with this recipe Pilot? Or is it exclusively for castile soap?

Edit: And thank you for the traditional recipe of 6-6-1, it's easier for me to remember and do because I use those measurement

nooo! Never! This recipe is so. But notice that it is a soap that is used for laundry. Also called castilla that just olive oil but with a different concentration
hahahaha and my name is María Pilar
http://translate.google.com/transla...http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgen_del_Pilar

 

[btz]

nooo! Ever! This recipe is so. But notice that it is a soap that is used for laundry. Also called castilla that just olive oil but with a different concentration
hahahaha and my name is María Pilar
http://translate.google.com/transla...http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgen_del_Pilar

Oh, so this is the recipe for laundry soap? Annemarie said she uses it on skin though, is it okay to use it like that?

*fixed error*
*run*
*hides in embarrassment over the typo*

 

[Pilar]

Oh, so this is the recipe for laundry soap? Annemarie said she uses it on skin though, is it okay to use it like that?

*fixed error*
*run*
*hides in embarrassment over the typo*

I understand that 1 quarter is 1 liter
if you divide the recipe between 6, 1 kilo(1000 grm): 166 grams of lye
166g = 5.8555oz
That soap is used for pimples, acne, only! This causes the skin too dry!!

 

[AnnaMarie]

Hi Pilar! It's great to have you join the conversation! Did you look at the link that I pulled this off of? The author clearly implied this soap was for skin- not that it necessarily is. I'm very interested to hear from someone else who's familiar with the recipe as well. I've used it in the shower and personally loved it (and I have dry skin), but I use new, pure olive oil. I would love to hear more about it from your perspective
Cheers!
Anna Marie

I should add that in looking over the blog again one of the commenters (also Andalusian) said that using recycled oil for this doesn't make it good for skin and is used only for laundry. Do you have another traditional Andalusian recipe? I love experiments :-D Here's the original link:
http://spanishjourneys.com/oliveme/2009/06/08/make-your-own-pure-castille-soap/

Another interesting side trip on the road to find the perfect castile soap....

 

[newbie]

Soap rat, you asked what I did differently in my 4 batches.

First two were in SS. I didn't heat the oil/water combo at all. SB in both. The first one I SB'ed and stirred and the second one I SB'ed but in pulses and stirred some. Both took about 3 hours. Peppermint FO. First batch I tried to cpop and I saved only 1/2 the batch, I think. That turned out well. The second batch started to gel and that was a bust.

Third one I did in a plastic bowl. Warmed the oil/water combo a bit. SB'ed almost constantly, alternating between SB"ers. Took 2 hours but I had to leave for 30 minutes in the middle, so really only 1 1/2 hours. THis is the time I got the rubber ball soap. Very difficult to stir in any colors because it was so ...bouncy and kind of impermeable. Hunter's Moon. THis soap turned out the best so far in terms of air pockets etc..

4th batch in a big pyrex measuring cup in a SS bowl. Heated the oil/water more. It was hot, but not boiling hot (I could keep my hand on the cup) to the touch. Hand stirred only for about 2 hours until it broke my spirit. Then I dumped it into the SS bowl and resorted to the SB. It took about another 30 minutes. It was intermediate between the lotion like texture and the rubber ball. Soap turned out fine.

I suppose I should try no heat at all and hand stirring, but I don't think I want this much castile!


I just can't figure out why it takes so long for me.

 

[Pilar]

Hi Pilar! It's great to have you join the conversation! Did you look at the link that I pulled this off of? The author clearly implied this soap was for skin- not that it necessarily is. I'm very interested to hear from someone else who's familiar with the recipe as well. I've used it in the shower and personally loved it (and I have dry skin), but I use new, pure olive oil. I would love to hear more about it from your perspective
Cheers!
Anna Marie

I should add that in looking over the blog again one of the commenters (also Andalusian) said that using recycled oil for this doesn't make it good for skin and is used only for laundry. Do you have another traditional Andalusian recipe? I love experiments :-D Here's the original link:
http://spanishjourneys.com/oliveme/2009/06/08/make-your-own-pure-castille-soap/

Thanks, AnnaMarie .
There is confusion in the web but because whoever wrote it mixes two concepts. Like you can see that is the method of grandmothers , a bowl and a stick and turning for hours until the stick is left standing in the batter. This soap is made from recycled oil ( here in Spain we have plenty of olive oil, fry in 3 liter fryer oil used and changed every 20-30 days ) Realising that used oil, took advantage to make soap with that amount of soda because it was the soap washed when no detergents. It is a great soap today is highly coveted because it leaves very white clothes.
It also happened when the kids are old enough to have pimples on your face , but only used in that area. As you will understand if you use that soap with that amount of soda leaves a hard soap, excessive cleaning, few bubbles (but in this special case is not fulfilled what the calculator makes since to cure the better over time, has a lot of foam ) but the conditioning is very low : this indicates that it is not a cosmetic soap, please do not use it regularly you 're doing a peeeling !
So far I think all clear and now I commented that when they speak of soap bought in Sevilla ( I am from Sevilla) is a soap with the same ingredients (no recicled oil) but different formula and it is the best.
I put a photo of my mother with soap that formula. you'll see that are crude soaps and cleaning because they are dissolved in water used to clean the floor, especially marble.
I've laughed a lot because reading the web says "Bragas Limpias" (traduction: Clean panties) hahahahahaha She will be the cleanest village woman and this is because we often put people nicknames. 8)
AnneMarie I only know of two other types of experiments I did, one that is the laundry soap with percarbonate (6 l de aceite, 6l de agua, 1Kg de sosa, 1Kg de percarbonato) and Savon noir, maroccan or beldi that I put it on this site
http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=42736

 

[MzMolly65]

Not your fault! I think other people said they stirred slowly but constantly. Maybe I should just stir 5 times altogether, but I'm not confident that would work either. I'm utterly perplexed.

I didn't. I stirred around the pot a couple of times (about a 10 second stir) and walked away for 10 or 15 minutes. Came back, stirred around the pot a couple of times and walked away again.

Repeated that .. had a slight trace (could have been a false) at 20 minutes but a full and proper trace by 1 hour.

ETA: I'm sorry you're having so much trouble with this recipe. I can't say for sure but I think it's combination of the heat and the stirring. I didn't heat mine at all and I barely stirred it. If you're up for more soap I'd say try doing it with no heat and very little stirring in a container that is wide and short.

 

[AnnaMarie]

Thanks, AnnaMarie .

 

[Pilar]

AneMarie, Castile soap depends superfatted you want, it can be like this:

Oliva Virgen, oil ............. 1000gr
Supperfated ...................... 7%
Concentration ....................... 40%
Water ................................ 189gr
Lye ................................ 126gr

A trick to arrive before the trace is to heat a little oil or lye and oil both have the same temperature and not cold at all. In this formula (I use the calculator mendrulandia Spanish (http://calc.mendrulandia.net/ It is also in English) the conditioning is high and cleaning is low. You can play with the calculator to get the value that you like but whenever values ​​are high conditioned and low cleaning (SOS! my english is terrible, sorry :roll: )
AHH! Castile soap to perfectly cured and ideal, has one year to cure!