CBD oil in CP Soap

[TheGecko]

has anyone used CBD oil in cold process soap? If so what were your results or any recommendations?

UNITED STATES ONLY

There are two kinds of CBD oil; the one derived from cannabis and the one from hemp. The only one that is currently being sold in products is hemp-based...UNLESS you live in a state where cannabis is legal and then it is tightly regulated and can only be sold in that state.

Adding hemp-based CBD Oil to your soap takes it from being a "soap" to a medical product and you need to get licensed and approved by the FDA, and it is not a cheap or quick process since your soap will need to be tested to make sure that it isn't "harmful". If you are making Cold Process Soap, the oil will be destroyed during the saponification process. If you are making Hot Process Soap, a portion of the oil will survive, but to what end? Soap is a wash-off product and so there is zero benefit to the end-user...even if you were to leave the soap on your skin for a half hour and who is going to do that?

Since I live in a state that allows for legal weed, I occasionally get requests for a "weed" soap. I do make a novelty one with a Marijuana FO, but that is as far as I will go. 1) It is just too cost prohibitive to make either a hemp or cannabis-based CBD Oil soap even if I were to grow the hemp or cannabis myself (actually more expensive since I would need to be licensed by the state as well. 2) I am not going to sell a product that provides zero benefit to the user and then end up with a reputation for producing a "bad" product. Even here, where cannabis-based CBD products are tightly controlled, you get manufactures selling a bunk product. It took me three tries to find an ointment that actually worked on my hands. I have a bit of arthritis; not yet bad enough to warrant medication, but some nights are worse than others.

So...recommendation? Unless you are willing to go through the expense and hassle of selling what is really no more than a novelty soap, don't.

 

[mishmish]

Another thing to consider:

After hearing from enough people who have used CBD for medical conditions such as epilepsy, chronic pain, insomnia, neurological issues, I've learned that messing with CBD oil is far from safe. There is much research still needed before people should start self-treating with CBD oil. (Of greatest concern is ingesting CBD oil, more than topical applications)

If you don't pay attention to anything else I say, at least take away these three things:

1) There is a massive inconsistency of quality, active ingredient, contamination, and level of standardization amongst CBD oils (depending on supplier). Massive. As in - some people aren't getting anything beyond the tiniest fraction of active ingredient = paying a ton of money for almost nothing. Then there's contamination issues..... FDA regulation has not caught up with this so it's almost a free -for- all out there! Reminds me a lot of the essential oil craze, only with the potential for greater harm.

2) CBD oil can decrease the therapeutic effects of some prescription drugs that includes some high blood pressure medications, blood thinning medications, and others. You must have a CBD educated doctor or qualified pharmacist help advise you on possible drug interactions if you decide you want to try CBD oil!

3) The strength of the dose is vital to success, and safety! There must be batch certification confirming the strength you receive.

By no means do I want you to NOT consider CBD us, but you need to do a lot of research - and finding responsible, scientific research is difficult!

I know a very mentally disabled man who barely had the mental functioning of a toddler, and suffering from 20+ seizures a day despite the maximum dose of typical seizure meds. His sister had a Ph.D in neurology; did months of research and starting giving him CBD oil (the real stuff, standardized and appropriately dosed for his size). His seizures were greatly reduced; but the most spectacular difference was his increase in ability to interact! It actually helped improve his quality of life to a small, but noticeable degree (and nobody knows why).

I was warned by my oncologist not to use CBD oil in any form. When my five years is up and I get off my aromatase inhibitors then I'd be interested in finding out more about it.

 

[AliOop]

Thank you for this thread. I did a search on CBD in soaps so here i am, although this is a year old...

anyway, this might be a multi part question.

i have been reading A LOT on soaping and ingredients. I ran across someone very passionately talking about not using certain essential oils in soaps because of their properties not being safe even in the finished product, specifically if I recall correctly, clove EO. I don't think that was here. It might have been. I read a lot so it could have been anywhere.

I do know a little about essential oils. I used to study them. I use the term study loosely....I don't have a degree, just casual self taught, couple of books and research. But I saw clove EO mentioned in a soap and thought....eewwww what about the lady parts lol.

That said, what is the truth in that? Do soaps retain the properties of EO after saponification?

Now I know that an oil like CBD is extracted and not the same as a true EO. IF properties of an EO can survive soaping (if it does), why wouldn't an extraction survive? Being new to soaping, I hope these aren't stupid questions. I just need to understand things at the base level lol.

Kim

I may have been one of the people who posted passionately about the uninformed use of clove EO, as well as other hot EOs such as anise, cinnamon, nutmeg, thyme, etc. As someone whose entire family is very reactive to these things, it makes me nuts to see people adding "enough to smell good," or saying things like, "Add 2 Tbsp of EO per pound of oils" - without regard to which oil, or safe usage rates.

Also, a dear friend is a nurse. Each year her office sees more and more people with external and internal injuries, as well as seizures, from the improper use and overuse of EOs. Some of these injuries are permanent, with scarring, loss of vision, neurological impairment, ongoing digestive problems, etc. I've heard her rant often enough that it has fueled my passion for educating people about this. I've probably posted more links to EOCalc than everyone else on the forum combined.

 

[mishmish]

Also, a dear friend is a nurse. Each year her office sees more and more people with external and internal injuries, as well as seizures, from the improper use and overuse of EOs. Some of these injuries are permanent, with scarring, loss of vision, neurological impairment, ongoing digestive problems, etc. I've heard her rant often enough that it has fueled my passion for educating people about this. I've probably posted more links to EOCalc than everyone else on the forum combined.

Do you think the harm is primarily caused by people who take eo's internally, or apply them to the skin neat?

 

[AliOop]

Do you think the harm is primarily caused by people who take eo's internally, or apply them to the skin neat?

She says it is both internal and external injuries. Even when people dilute them, they don't realize they haven't diluted enough, or that some EOs really shouldn't be applied to the skin at all, or are known to cause seizures in susceptible populations.

 

[shunt2011]

Both, I think a lot of the problem is YL and Doterra and other EO companies that have popped up advocate dangerous usages of their products. I still see it at shows that allow non-homemade products and it makes me crazy.