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I talked to a vendor at a market recently who sells a lot of soap with interesting colors and scents. I asked her about her recipes and she said she uses the same recipe for everything and just plays with color/scent. (Of course she didn’t tell me her recipe which I understand) What recipe do you use that is reasonably priced, basic ingredients and does a nice balance of suds, hardness, creaminess etc. is there a “perfect” recipe? It would be nice to have one go-to that you learn well and use as a default. Pic for interest.
 

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As you said the soap seller didn't give you their recipe. It takes many days, weeks, months, for people working to find their perfect recipe, let alone cost. Not everyone will give you that information even though your asking for it, my suggestion to you is read all the information in the beginners forum and lye forum that you can get and start experimenting yourself, that's the only way to learn, instead of asking for a recipe that someone has done all the work on.Yes, it would be nice to have a go to recipe and you can do that for yourself.
 
If you go to the soapmaking friend calculator, there is a section with public recipes. You can also use the search button to search for recipes on the forum. There are lots of recipes online, but you should run them through a soap calculator to ensure there were no dangerous typos. When you do start experiencing, be sure to start small with 1-2 lb batches.
 
There are lots of recipes on here if you look. Everyone has their own preference and even my favorite recipe is a modification of one I found on here. My best advice is to find a recipe, make it, try it, tweak from there.
There is also a lot of info on here about what different oils bring to the soap so that you can modify.
 
I'm not giving my recipe out. It takes a long time testing and changing things to get what you like. You will need to figure that out for yourself. I also wish people would quit asking this question. Would you go to Dove and ask them for their recipe and think they'd give it to you? No, of course not. There are recipes all over the net. Experiment till you get one you like.
 
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Some soapmakers on YouTube share their recipes, including Holly of Holly’s Soapmaking - she even demonstrates putting the numbers into a soap c@lculator. I agree with others, try small batches of different recipes and see what you like. I changed my basic recipe last year when I swapped high oleic sunflower for olive oil to economize.
 
@Brutongate , below is basic recipe to which I make only small adjustments. I can't tell you how great it is in comparison to other soaps because I'm reasonably new- I've made 30 batches total. I grabbed my first recipe off the internet because it had LOTS of shea butter. It was 40% O.O., 25% C.O., 25% SheaB, and 10% Castor oil. I didn't soapcalc it and I never figured out exactly what went wrong, but it set so fast I barely had time to get it out of the bowl and smash it into the mold. I cut it after about 6 hours. A few batches later, I tried Soap Queen's Lots of Lather because she said it was a "super hard bar" and had "lots of lather". And she said she teaches it in all her beginning classes because it is "tried and true." It is 31.9 % O.O., 31.9% C.O., 31 % Palm, 4.3% Castor. My first change was to ditch the palm oil. It makes a really pretty yellow soap, but if you want any other color- lots of luck. Plus, it got big time soda ash. Then everything I read said it's better not to go over 20% coconut oil as it can be too drying on the skin. I don't know if it was too drying, but since there is general agreement on that, I reduced the coconut oil. I increased the castor oil and shea butter up a combined 11% but eventually reduced the castor oil because I read that it makes your soap a little slimey if you go over 7%.
For me, I was after a hard bar with reasonable longevity. Tallow and lard are a good way to get a hard bar. Lard is dirt cheap ( where I live anyway) but not quite as hard as tallow. I add 2% sugar for more suds and 1% salt for hardness. ( Although due to @justsomeguy 's generosity, as of my last batch, I have traded the sugar for sorbitol.
I think lard makes a very slow moving batter if you want time to try swirls or to just not be running around your kitchen in a panic. I've been experimenting with fragrances, exfoliants (poppy seeds, espresso grounds, loofah, sand, etc.), additives (goats milk powder, colloidal oats, ground oats, etc. and color but otherwise, I make only small tweaks to this basic recipe. Eventually, I'm sure I'll move on to something different, but this is what I'm working with at this time.

If I want a lighter soap, I swap about 1/2 or 2/3rds of the olive oil for high oleic sunflower oil. To me, it looks like the sunflower oil is lighter than olive oil and their properties are pretty similar. This past weekend, I made some soap for my older son. He likes his soap pretty cleansing so I increased the coconut oil by 1% ( you can see what a chicken I am- I probably could have made a bigger adjustment.)
I would like to have the most bubbles possible, and my bubble number seems kind of low, but I don't want the coconut oil to go over 20% so I'm counting on the sugar or sorbitol to increase suds.
Some people want a really conditioning soap, so they might use oil(s) that is/are higher on conditioning and usually, that means a sacrifice on hardness.
Some people want a really gentle soap and they might make a castile soap. I have made Zany's No Slime Castile a couple times (you can get that recipe on this forum) and that does make a really, really nice soap.

But, as others have said, you should think about what it is that you want in a soap, then play around with soapcalc and see what combination of oils might get you there. Everyone likes something different. One thing that I have found is that suds and fragrance matter. And if it looks good, even better. That said, I have one batch that seized on me, I had to chop it out of the bowl and add a cup of boiling water to get it into the mold. It looks like meatloaf but it has a bunch of ground oatmeal and espresso grinds with a coffee and vanilla fragrances. It looks like hell but it smells great and feels really good. So, even sad looking soaps have their place ;)

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I have several recipes for different soaps and have honed them throughout the years. There's not one perfect recipe. For example, I have a basic soap recipe, a "long trace" recipe for making fancy swirls, an Aleppo recipe, a castille recipe, a milk soap recipe, an oatmeal milk soap recipe, and a tallow recipe that I make on a regular basis. I might use different colors, and scents, but the recipes stay the same. Different people like different kinds of soaps. Some like them pretty and don't care what they are made of. Others really look for a specific kind of soap, so you have to have some kind of variety.
 
I used to make each new soap with a new recipe as I loved the creative process. However, as I got a little bigger I went to 3 basic recipes which focused on different needs. I use a Tallow base as my sensitive skin line (I do not say this), a goat milk soap for those who are addicted, lol, and another base as a pretty soap line. I decorate each line the same, but all 3 are different from each other. Then I change up scents and the extra small additives.
 
@Brutongate , below is basic recipe to which I make only small adjustments. I can't tell you how great it is in comparison to other soaps because I'm reasonably new- I've made 30 batches total. I grabbed my first recipe off the internet because it had LOTS of shea butter. It was 40% O.O., 25% C.O., 25% SheaB, and 10% Castor oil. I didn't soapcalc it and I never figured out exactly what went wrong, but it set so fast I barely had time to get it out of the bowl and smash it into the mold. I cut it after about 6 hours. A few batches later, I tried Soap Queen's Lots of Lather because she said it was a "super hard bar" and had "lots of lather". And she said she teaches it in all her beginning classes because it is "tried and true." It is 31.9 % O.O., 31.9% C.O., 31 % Palm, 4.3% Castor. My first change was to ditch the palm oil. It makes a really pretty yellow soap, but if you want any other color- lots of luck. Plus, it got big time soda ash. Then everything I read said it's better not to go over 20% coconut oil as it can be too drying on the skin. I don't know if it was too drying, but since there is general agreement on that, I reduced the coconut oil. I increased the castor oil and shea butter up a combined 11% but eventually reduced the castor oil because I read that it makes your soap a little slimey if you go over 7%.
For me, I was after a hard bar with reasonable longevity. Tallow and lard are a good way to get a hard bar. Lard is dirt cheap ( where I live anyway) but not quite as hard as tallow. I add 2% sugar for more suds and 1% salt for hardness. ( Although due to @justsomeguy 's generosity, as of my last batch, I have traded the sugar for sorbitol.
I think lard makes a very slow moving batter if you want time to try swirls or to just not be running around your kitchen in a panic. I've been experimenting with fragrances, exfoliants (poppy seeds, espresso grounds, loofah, sand, etc.), additives (goats milk powder, colloidal oats, ground oats, etc. and color but otherwise, I make only small tweaks to this basic recipe. Eventually, I'm sure I'll move on to something different, but this is what I'm working with at this time.

If I want a lighter soap, I swap about 1/2 or 2/3rds of the olive oil for high oleic sunflower oil. To me, it looks like the sunflower oil is lighter than olive oil and their properties are pretty similar. This past weekend, I made some soap for my older son. He likes his soap pretty cleansing so I increased the coconut oil by 1% ( you can see what a chicken I am- I probably could have made a bigger adjustment.)
I would like to have the most bubbles possible, and my bubble number seems kind of low, but I don't want the coconut oil to go over 20% so I'm counting on the sugar or sorbitol to increase suds.
Some people want a really conditioning soap, so they might use oil(s) that is/are higher on conditioning and usually, that means a sacrifice on hardness.
Some people want a really gentle soap and they might make a castile soap. I have made Zany's No Slime Castile a couple times (you can get that recipe on this forum) and that does make a really, really nice soap.

But, as others have said, you should think about what it is that you want in a soap, then play around with soapcalc and see what combination of oils might get you there. Everyone likes something different. One thing that I have found is that suds and fragrance matter. And if it looks good, even better. That said, I have one batch that seized on me, I had to chop it out of the bowl and add a cup of boiling water to get it into the mold. It looks like meatloaf but it has a bunch of ground oatmeal and espresso grinds with a coffee and vanilla fragrances. It looks like hell but it smells great and feels really good. So, even sad looking soaps have their place ;)

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Thank you so much for your thoughtful and thorough reply. I appreciate it.

A tried and true old recipe is 30% CO, 30%PO, 35% OO, and 5% Castor oil. That is a good starting recipe. When you get a few batches under your belt, you will feel more confident in experimenting.
Thank you.
 
Lots of good advice above. By now you’re aware there are many answers to your initial question @Brutongate. Do you already have an idea in your head about your own definition of a good all around soap? If you could give us some idea, we can give you a more specific starting point.

For example, are you up for using lard or tallow in your soap? Or are you looking for a vegetarian recipe? Or maybe a vegan recipe? Are you limited by the types of liquid oils you can use in your soap? Perhaps limited by availability or cost? Do you want your soap to be unscented, scented with essential oils only, or fragrance oils? Are you open to various types of colorants, or do you insist on natural plant-based colors? What kind of water do you have for washing? Is it hard or soft?

My assumption is that you want a good starting point so you get success more quickly than starting with a generic recipe. If you already have a favorite handcrafted soap, the order of ingredients on the label will give you a very good starting point. From there, you can play with a soap calculator to tweak the recipe.

If you answer the questions above, we can direct you to some public recipes in soapmakingfriend.com.
 
I asked her about her recipes and she said she uses the same recipe for everything and just plays with color/scent.
If you're selling, there's your crucial info. I'd bet she has different molds too though.

If you want a hook, Gold has been linked to the fountain of youth. I know a few people who'd be agreeable to the thought after using soap with such ingredients.

I've always wondered why soap with real Gold or Silver in it isn't a huge marketing catch/gimmick.

Food for thoughts
 
Lots of good advice above. By now you’re aware there are many answers to your initial question @Brutongate. Do you already have an idea in your head about your own definition of a good all around soap? If you could give us some idea, we can give you a more specific starting point.

For example, are you up for using lard or tallow in your soap? Or are you looking for a vegetarian recipe? Or maybe a vegan recipe? Are you limited by the types of liquid oils you can use in your soap? Perhaps limited by availability or cost? Do you want your soap to be unscented, scented with essential oils only, or fragrance oils? Are you open to various types of colorants, or do you insist on natural plant-based colors? What kind of water do you have for washing? Is it hard or soft?

My assumption is that you want a good starting point so you get success more quickly than starting with a generic recipe. If you already have a favorite handcrafted soap, the order of ingredients on the label will give you a very good starting point. From there, you can play with a soap calculator to tweak the recipe.

If you answer the questions above, we can direct you to some public recipes in soapmakingfriend.com.
Thank you for your kind response. We do have hard water so that’s an issue. I have access to lard and (soon) tallow as well so I want to use that for cost reasons. We have bees so beeswax for a harder soap(?)
I prefer a sudsy harder soap and I don’t use much for scent mainly because some friends are sensitive and for cost. I have been using clays and mica for color. My oils are primarily OO and CO and sometimes I use sweet almond and always a bit of castor. I have been trying different combinations and running them
Soapcalc. Lard and tallow recipes for hard water would be most helpful I think. 🥰

If you're selling, there's your crucial info. I'd bet she has different molds too though.

If you want a hook, Gold has been linked to the fountain of youth. I know a few people who'd be agreeable to the thought after using soap with such ingredients.

I've always wondered why soap with real Gold or Silver in it isn't a huge marketing catch/gimmick.

Food for thoughts
I’m not selling. I did go to one craft fair locally but mainly I make for myself and give to friends. I’m seriously just here fun. Thanks for the gold tip. I have real silver leaf from India…hmmm wonder how to incorporate that in. Thanks.

I used to make each new soap with a new recipe as I loved the creative process. However, as I got a little bigger I went to 3 basic recipes which focused on different needs. I use a Tallow base as my sensitive skin line (I do not say this), a goat milk soap for those who are addicted, lol, and another base as a pretty soap line. I decorate each line the same, but all 3 are different from each other. Then I change up scents and the extra small additives.
I really like this idea of having your “standards” for three different lines. ❤️

Thanks for this link. I finally got a chance to look at it and it’s interesting see the properties of the various oils and which contribute to which element.
 
I’m not selling. I did go to one craft fair locally but mainly I make for myself and give to friends. I’m seriously just here fun. Thanks for the gold tip. I have real silver leaf from India…hmmm wonder how to incorporate that in. Thanks.
Leaf won't benefit as much. It would also be extremely difficult to get good distribution. I make my own Colloidal Silver. 2 pieces 99.999 silver, 3x 9v batteries and Distilled water. First batch of soap I made had colloidal silver.

Gold is more of a recent discovery for me. People who've tried it, swear by it. Pharma's spending lots to figure out a patentable way to get it into the body. $60CAD for 500ml from amazon. That's about enough for 50kg of soap the way I use it. It seems to be a more, long term stable (Mixing gold ans silver doesn't last. you can almost watch them pull each other out of suspension <hyperbole>), colloid compared to silver. More appealing for smaller batchers perhaps.

Sadly, I've run into a LOT of people who seem to confuse heavy that'll hurt your toes with the heavy that spits off DNA shredding sub-atomic particles.

But I'm one that puts saponification above the printing press for human benefit lol

All the best :)
 
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Here's a thread to a bunch of recipes with lard and tallow. I was looking to get some for tallow cause I'd never used it before. My recipe at the top is hard and sudsy but you can make it sudsier by increasing the CO.
For lard and tallow you might want to consider adding a chelators like sodium citrate to reduce soap scum.
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/tallow-soap-recommendations.94291/
 
Leaf won't benefit as much. It would also be extremely difficult to get good distribution. I make my own Colloidal Silver. 2 pieces 99.999 silver, 3x 9v batteries and Distilled water. First batch of soap I made had colloidal silver. AAAAmazing after a sun burn (they do use it in burn wards).

Gold is more of a recent discovery for me. People who've tried it, swear by it. Pharma's spending lots to figure out a patentable way to get it into the body. $60CAD for 500ml from amazon. That's about enough for 50kg of soap the way I use it. It seems to be a more, long term stable (Mixing gold ans silver doesn't last. you can almost watch them pull each other out of suspension <hyperbole>), colloid compared to silver. More appealing for smaller batchers perhaps.

Sadly, I've run into a LOT of people who seem to confuse heavy that'll hurt your toes with the heavy that spits off DNA shredding sub-atomic particles.

But I'm one that puts saponification above the printing press for human benefit lol

All the best :)
So interesting. Thanks. I do have colloidal silver. Do you use it as part of your liquid/water amount? I’ve not seen it used in any recipes I’ve come across. The gold bit is mind boggling. Not that I could venture there but so interesting. Thanks for sharing those bits of info.
 
So interesting. Thanks. I do have colloidal silver. Do you use it as part of your liquid/water amount? I’ve not seen it used in any recipes I’ve come across. The gold bit is mind boggling. Not that I could venture there but so interesting. Thanks for sharing those bits of info.
Make sure it's pure. A lot of people add electrolytes. which makes it something other than colloidal silver. When thinking of anything chemistry or health anyways.

I've always kept a bit of water back when I mixed my lye water and added it after it's mixed and cleared. I haven't waited till it cools yet or given it ANY time before adding to oils. Adding before the lye causes it to all to coalesce into an amorphous lump.

Gold is easier than I thought it would be!!
Even more stable and apparently not photosensitive like CS is. I think It speeds things up I think. Including saponification, but I haven't done enough to claim credibility yet. Haven't run into anyone else who's even tried, to compare notes with, yet. But if you look, it's reputation goes back, a long time, to put it mildly.

I'm starting to lean towards CS for internal and CG for external applications, but not ready to exclude CS from any soaps.. Not good to mix in liquid soaps without good viscosity to prevent coalescence. Got a really cool pearlescence thing I've been procrastinating about updating my KOH bar thread.

Hopefully, I'll have it in a lip balm soon. If I get motivated lol
 

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I agree with sentiments above that the best way to find your recipe is to experiment (with small batches, please). I did a lot of experimenting over my first couple of years of soapmaking before it dawned on me that, regardless of choice of fats, the recipes I liked the most were all quite similar based on fatty acid profiles. This makes sense because the fatty acid composition determines the major properties/qualities of the soaps we make. My current favorite profile for an all around soap that pleases most of my family and friends is:

17-18% lauric + myristic (for bubbles; higher percentages are too cleansing for me and others in my sphere; I also make a couple of “gentle” recipes that are in the 8-10% range; I also almost always boost bubbles by adding sugar)
39-41% oleic (yes, this FA adds to mildness, but is under-appreciated for bubble support IMHO; It’s really important for making abundant foamy lather in my recipes)
29-31% palmitic + stearic (these FAs increase soap longevity because they don’t readily dissolve; soaps that are high is these FAs produce dense creamy lather once you get them going; in this percentage range, my soaps are long lasting, but still make good lather)
3% ricinoleic (bubble support, but all is not lost if I leave it out)
8-10% linoleic + linolenic (these FAs help with big bubbles and add a bit of slip/silkiness to the lather; the rule of thumb is to keep the percentage below 15%; I try to keep linolenic at 0-1% because of the high potential for rancidity; I like the way linoleic feels in the soap, but at 10-15% in my recipes, the bars are very slippery when wet)

In my experience, past scent and design, most users focus on how bubbly a soap is, how their skin feels after they use the soap and how long a bar lasts. I can formulate similar recipes based on FA percentages, but using different suites of fats, and end up with soap that behaves about the same in terms of amount of bubbles and longevity. For example, I can make a soap with lard that many testers/users can’t distinguish from soaps made with butters or soy wax. This isn’t to say that choice of fats doesn’t matter. My butter-rich recipe is my personal favorite even if it’s a splurge to make right now due to the price of cocoa butter.

One important point is that my recipes don’t all behave the same in terms of coming to trace. These differences have to be taken into account when it comes to making designed soap.

SMF is full of threads that focus on the pros and cons or various recipes and use of additives that change the feel and behavior of the soap. You can use the SMF search bar, or try using a browser search starting with “soapmakingforum.com”
 
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