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Brutongate

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I talked to a vendor at a market recently who sells a lot of soap with interesting colors and scents. I asked her about her recipes and she said she uses the same recipe for everything and just plays with color/scent. (Of course she didn’t tell me her recipe which I understand) What recipe do you use that is reasonably priced, basic ingredients and does a nice balance of suds, hardness, creaminess etc. is there a “perfect” recipe? It would be nice to have one go-to that you learn well and use as a default. Pic for interest.
 

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As you said the soap seller didn't give you their recipe. It takes many days, weeks, months, for people working to find their perfect recipe, let alone cost. Not everyone will give you that information even though your asking for it, my suggestion to you is read all the information in the beginners forum and lye forum that you can get and start experimenting yourself, that's the only way to learn, instead of asking for a recipe that someone has done all the work on.Yes, it would be nice to have a go to recipe and you can do that for yourself.
 
If you go to the soapmaking friend calculator, there is a section with public recipes. You can also use the search button to search for recipes on the forum. There are lots of recipes online, but you should run them through a soap calculator to ensure there were no dangerous typos. When you do start experiencing, be sure to start small with 1-2 lb batches.
 
There are lots of recipes on here if you look. Everyone has their own preference and even my favorite recipe is a modification of one I found on here. My best advice is to find a recipe, make it, try it, tweak from there.
There is also a lot of info on here about what different oils bring to the soap so that you can modify.
 
I'm not giving my recipe out. It takes a long time testing and changing things to get what you like. You will need to figure that out for yourself. I also wish people would quit asking this question. Would you go to Dove and ask them for their recipe and think they'd give it to you? No, of course not. There are recipes all over the net. Experiment till you get one you like.
 
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Some soapmakers on YouTube share their recipes, including Holly of Holly’s Soapmaking - she even demonstrates putting the numbers into a soap c@lculator. I agree with others, try small batches of different recipes and see what you like. I changed my basic recipe last year when I swapped high oleic sunflower for olive oil to economize.
 
@Brutongate , below is basic recipe to which I make only small adjustments. I can't tell you how great it is in comparison to other soaps because I'm reasonably new- I've made 30 batches total. I grabbed my first recipe off the internet because it had LOTS of shea butter. It was 40% O.O., 25% C.O., 25% SheaB, and 10% Castor oil. I didn't soapcalc it and I never figured out exactly what went wrong, but it set so fast I barely had time to get it out of the bowl and smash it into the mold. I cut it after about 6 hours. A few batches later, I tried Soap Queen's Lots of Lather because she said it was a "super hard bar" and had "lots of lather". And she said she teaches it in all her beginning classes because it is "tried and true." It is 31.9 % O.O., 31.9% C.O., 31 % Palm, 4.3% Castor. My first change was to ditch the palm oil. It makes a really pretty yellow soap, but if you want any other color- lots of luck. Plus, it got big time soda ash. Then everything I read said it's better not to go over 20% coconut oil as it can be too drying on the skin. I don't know if it was too drying, but since there is general agreement on that, I reduced the coconut oil. I increased the castor oil and shea butter up a combined 11% but eventually reduced the castor oil because I read that it makes your soap a little slimey if you go over 7%.
For me, I was after a hard bar with reasonable longevity. Tallow and lard are a good way to get a hard bar. Lard is dirt cheap ( where I live anyway) but not quite as hard as tallow. I add 2% sugar for more suds and 1% salt for hardness. ( Although due to @justsomeguy 's generosity, as of my last batch, I have traded the sugar for sorbitol.
I think lard makes a very slow moving batter if you want time to try swirls or to just not be running around your kitchen in a panic. I've been experimenting with fragrances, exfoliants (poppy seeds, espresso grounds, loofah, sand, etc.), additives (goats milk powder, colloidal oats, ground oats, etc. and color but otherwise, I make only small tweaks to this basic recipe. Eventually, I'm sure I'll move on to something different, but this is what I'm working with at this time.

If I want a lighter soap, I swap about 1/2 or 2/3rds of the olive oil for high oleic sunflower oil. To me, it looks like the sunflower oil is lighter than olive oil and their properties are pretty similar. This past weekend, I made some soap for my older son. He likes his soap pretty cleansing so I increased the coconut oil by 1% ( you can see what a chicken I am- I probably could have made a bigger adjustment.)
I would like to have the most bubbles possible, and my bubble number seems kind of low, but I don't want the coconut oil to go over 20% so I'm counting on the sugar or sorbitol to increase suds.
Some people want a really conditioning soap, so they might use oil(s) that is/are higher on conditioning and usually, that means a sacrifice on hardness.
Some people want a really gentle soap and they might make a castile soap. I have made Zany's No Slime Castile a couple times (you can get that recipe on this forum) and that does make a really, really nice soap.

But, as others have said, you should think about what it is that you want in a soap, then play around with soapcalc and see what combination of oils might get you there. Everyone likes something different. One thing that I have found is that suds and fragrance matter. And if it looks good, even better. That said, I have one batch that seized on me, I had to chop it out of the bowl and add a cup of boiling water to get it into the mold. It looks like meatloaf but it has a bunch of ground oatmeal and espresso grinds with a coffee and vanilla fragrances. It looks like hell but it smells great and feels really good. So, even sad looking soaps have their place ;)

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I have several recipes for different soaps and have honed them throughout the years. There's not one perfect recipe. For example, I have a basic soap recipe, a "long trace" recipe for making fancy swirls, an Aleppo recipe, a castille recipe, a milk soap recipe, an oatmeal milk soap recipe, and a tallow recipe that I make on a regular basis. I might use different colors, and scents, but the recipes stay the same. Different people like different kinds of soaps. Some like them pretty and don't care what they are made of. Others really look for a specific kind of soap, so you have to have some kind of variety.
 
I used to make each new soap with a new recipe as I loved the creative process. However, as I got a little bigger I went to 3 basic recipes which focused on different needs. I use a Tallow base as my sensitive skin line (I do not say this), a goat milk soap for those who are addicted, lol, and another base as a pretty soap line. I decorate each line the same, but all 3 are different from each other. Then I change up scents and the extra small additives.
 
@Brutongate , below is basic recipe to which I make only small adjustments. I can't tell you how great it is in comparison to other soaps because I'm reasonably new- I've made 30 batches total. I grabbed my first recipe off the internet because it had LOTS of shea butter. It was 40% O.O., 25% C.O., 25% SheaB, and 10% Castor oil. I didn't soapcalc it and I never figured out exactly what went wrong, but it set so fast I barely had time to get it out of the bowl and smash it into the mold. I cut it after about 6 hours. A few batches later, I tried Soap Queen's Lots of Lather because she said it was a "super hard bar" and had "lots of lather". And she said she teaches it in all her beginning classes because it is "tried and true." It is 31.9 % O.O., 31.9% C.O., 31 % Palm, 4.3% Castor. My first change was to ditch the palm oil. It makes a really pretty yellow soap, but if you want any other color- lots of luck. Plus, it got big time soda ash. Then everything I read said it's better not to go over 20% coconut oil as it can be too drying on the skin. I don't know if it was too drying, but since there is general agreement on that, I reduced the coconut oil. I increased the castor oil and shea butter up a combined 11% but eventually reduced the castor oil because I read that it makes your soap a little slimey if you go over 7%.
For me, I was after a hard bar with reasonable longevity. Tallow and lard are a good way to get a hard bar. Lard is dirt cheap ( where I live anyway) but not quite as hard as tallow. I add 2% sugar for more suds and 1% salt for hardness. ( Although due to @justsomeguy 's generosity, as of my last batch, I have traded the sugar for sorbitol.
I think lard makes a very slow moving batter if you want time to try swirls or to just not be running around your kitchen in a panic. I've been experimenting with fragrances, exfoliants (poppy seeds, espresso grounds, loofah, sand, etc.), additives (goats milk powder, colloidal oats, ground oats, etc. and color but otherwise, I make only small tweaks to this basic recipe. Eventually, I'm sure I'll move on to something different, but this is what I'm working with at this time.

If I want a lighter soap, I swap about 1/2 or 2/3rds of the olive oil for high oleic sunflower oil. To me, it looks like the sunflower oil is lighter than olive oil and their properties are pretty similar. This past weekend, I made some soap for my older son. He likes his soap pretty cleansing so I increased the coconut oil by 1% ( you can see what a chicken I am- I probably could have made a bigger adjustment.)
I would like to have the most bubbles possible, and my bubble number seems kind of low, but I don't want the coconut oil to go over 20% so I'm counting on the sugar or sorbitol to increase suds.
Some people want a really conditioning soap, so they might use oil(s) that is/are higher on conditioning and usually, that means a sacrifice on hardness.
Some people want a really gentle soap and they might make a castile soap. I have made Zany's No Slime Castile a couple times (you can get that recipe on this forum) and that does make a really, really nice soap.

But, as others have said, you should think about what it is that you want in a soap, then play around with soapcalc and see what combination of oils might get you there. Everyone likes something different. One thing that I have found is that suds and fragrance matter. And if it looks good, even better. That said, I have one batch that seized on me, I had to chop it out of the bowl and add a cup of boiling water to get it into the mold. It looks like meatloaf but it has a bunch of ground oatmeal and espresso grinds with a coffee and vanilla fragrances. It looks like hell but it smells great and feels really good. So, even sad looking soaps have their place ;)

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Thank you so much for your thoughtful and thorough reply. I appreciate it.

A tried and true old recipe is 30% CO, 30%PO, 35% OO, and 5% Castor oil. That is a good starting recipe. When you get a few batches under your belt, you will feel more confident in experimenting.
Thank you.
 
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