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Well here's what I did - 60% CO - 35% OO - 5% castor - I SF'd at 20% - I used large Sea Salt Crystals @ 75% - coloured & scented. It took several hours to set up enough to cut and it took it's own sweet time curing. I tried out a bar already and then I use it the bar polishes up nicely. I'm going to give it my usual cure time since it was done as CP. As soon as I have some time I'll take some pictures and post them....
 
Thanks for the compliments :D

Before making salt bars, I really read everything I could find on it.

First : high % coconut: does not dry - lathers great. The salt takes care of non-drying in this case.
Of course you could do a kind of work around, like adding cocoa butter for lather and care, or shea butter (IMHO no use really).
I used Almond-Oil amd Sunflower for the remaining 20 %.

Then on the epsom salt; it not an edible salt:
Epsom salt is not salt at all--the scientific label is magnesium sulfate MgSO4. The name comes from Epsom, England, where the mineral compound was discovered hundreds of years ago. While it resembles table salt in appearance, it is vastly different.

source: http://www.ehow.com/how_4549470_use-epsom-salts.html

You can take a bath with epsom salt of course - that is perfect;)

Furthermore there are discussions on the use of Dead Sea Salts - due to it containing more minerals, or iodized salt - drying and possible allergy, though seldom.

Hope this answers your questions :)
 
Hello!
I just made my first salt bar!
Now it's in its mold. Let's see.

I used 100% coconut oil, 20% surfatting, and I added 100% of ordinary table salt. I added a bit of Sugar Pie Fragrance, but maybe it was not enough. I'm always afraid my soaps are smelling too much, and maybe this time I was a bit short.

About Epsom salt, it IS a salt.
I'm copying what I wrote on another forum (sorry for my bad English)

Chemically, a salt is a product of the neutralisation reaction of acids and bases.
Commonly, salt is "kitchen salt", NaCl.
Epsom salt is Magnesium sulfate (MgSO4). So they ARE REAL salts, but something very different from the salt we use to cook (I think they will make you run to the toilet if you eat them).
 
[quote="eucalypta"

First : high % coconut: does not dry - lathers great. The salt takes care of non-drying in this case.
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That statement might be true for people with no skin issues , but as a blanket statement, it is not correct imho. My skin cannot tolerate a high coconut % even with the salt. I made 2 salt bars ,1 with a low coconut % and 1 with 80%. My testers are a group of 12 women, physiotherapists , accunpuncturists , massage therapists and a secretary. 10 of them preferred the low coconut salt bar for a variety of reasons. Mostly the soft lather and the way their skin felt after.
You could make soap with the most luxurious skin loving oils out there ,and it could be drying to some types of skin.
I'm just sayin.:D

Kitn
 
Okay so, this one is obviously not gonna work. It's like Amityville Horror soap. lol. If flies start congregating on it by the hundreds and pigs with red eyes start showin' up - I'm outta here.

So CLEARLY, I'm oozing oil (demon blood) out of every pore. Luckily I didn't make much of it. Tonight I'm doin' coconut oil with 20% superfat.

weird.jpg
 
laVale said:
Hello!
I just made my first salt bar!
Now it's in its mold. Let's see.

I used 100% coconut oil, 20% surfatting, and I added 100% of ordinary table salt. I added a bit of Sugar Pie Fragrance, but maybe it was not enough. I'm always afraid my soaps are smelling too much, and maybe this time I was a bit short.

About Epsom salt, it IS a salt.
I'm copying what I wrote on another forum (sorry for my bad English)

Chemically, a salt is a product of the neutralisation reaction of acids and bases.
Commonly, salt is "kitchen salt", NaCl.
Epsom salt is Magnesium sulfate (MgSO4). So they ARE REAL salts, but something very different from the salt we use to cook (I think they will make you run to the toilet if you eat them).

We are both right :D
It defenitely is a salt - no good for cooking (we agree on both).
It might not be a good idea to put it into a soap bar as of unwanted reactions of the minerals of the Epsom with the lye or soap.
I have to look up the site where they explained this.

Your English is as good as mine - it is not my first language either :D
 
LJA said:
Okay so, this one is obviously not gonna work. It's like Amityville Horror soap. lol. If flies start congregating on it by the hundreds and pigs with red eyes start showin' up - I'm outta here.

So CLEARLY, I'm oozing oil (demon blood) out of every pore. Luckily I didn't make much of it. Tonight I'm doin' coconut oil with 20% superfat.

weird.jpg

Ow that is too bad :(
Weeping soap - so sad - well you could name it "rainy day in Georgia" of course :rofl:

Hope the next one will be a raving success :)
 
Just curious - when making a salt bar with 80% salt to oil ratio - can't you just use any recipe? I was planning on using a recipe with several oils in it. Wouldn't it work out just as well as a recipe with bunches of coconut oil?
 
Sibi said:
Just curious - when making a salt bar with 80% salt to oil ratio - can't you just use any recipe? I was planning on using a recipe with several oils in it. Wouldn't it work out just as well as a recipe with bunches of coconut oil?

Yeah...I'd like to know the answer to that too, please. :)
 
I have made my salt bar recipe 4 times now and it has turned out great each time, this is the recipe:
75% Coconut,
18% Safflower,
3% Castor and
4% Shea.
50% salt
Some have said that they think that the salt bars don't gel, but mine gets very hot and I know it goes thru gel, because I have peeked and it was right in the middle of gel. I think without a doubt salt bars are some of my favorite soaps to make, since I have to cut within a couple of hours that means I don't have to wait to start the curing process. I know that I really like the feel of the finished soap.
 
Sibi said:
Just curious - when making a salt bar with 80% salt to oil ratio - can't you just use any recipe? I was planning on using a recipe with several oils in it. Wouldn't it work out just as well as a recipe with bunches of coconut oil?[/quote

It does work and very well imho .The green swirled one I posted is just a regular recipe. Canola,CO,PO,OO and salt.

Kitn
 
Hello!
After one hour, it was hard and I cut it.
It was very crumbly, especially on the edges.
Maybe a ratio of oil and salt of 1:1 was not good. I will try next time with a lower ratio of salt.
I will have to wait some days and see if 100% coconut is not bad for my skin.

ciao
vale
 
Re the high CO percentage - CO soaps apparently lather well in salt water, unlike other soaps (I'm told boaties like CO soap for that reason). So the high CO in a salt bar is all about the lather. I think the first salt bar experimenters used 100% CO. I've not tried recipes with less than 75% CO, so I can't comment personally on the lather quality, but from posts above, low CO recipes do seem to produce lather that is good. Maybe we should do a photo shoot using standardized soap rotation technique for various types of bars! :lol:

eucalypta, I'm not sure I'm following what you say about the Epsom salt vs table salt/sea salt. If you find that link or reference as to why it doesn't work or what the results have been when people used it in a salt bar, it would be great if you could post it.
 
surf girl said:
Re .... various types of bars! :lol:

eucalypta, I'm not sure I'm following what you say about the Epsom salt vs table salt/sea salt. If you find that link or reference as to why it doesn't work or what the results have been when people used it in a salt bar, it would be great if you could post it.

I did not find the site I remembered but I found the following regarding the use of Epsom salt (externally and internally): caution when pregnant or suffering from high blood pressure among others
CAUTION:

Discuss use and application with your doctor.

Do not use if you are pregnant or allergic to sulfer.

Epsom-salt baths are contraindicated in cardiovascular or high-blood-pressure conditions. Ask your doctor, in such a case, whether you may take the bath.

Hypermagnesemia is a potentially lethal condition that may not be as rare as is commonly thought. In 1990, Whang and Ryder[12] studied more than 1,000 patients admitted to a community hospital and found the incidence of hypermagnesemia to be 5.7%, whereas only 12% of those were clinically suspected. Hypermagnesemia is usually found in patients with renal insufficiency who have a creatinine clearance of less than 30 mL/min. Other patients at risk for development of elevated serum magnesium levels are patients with excessive magnesium loads.

Potential sources of excess magnesium intake include antacids, laxatives, cathartics, and parenteral administration. Other less common causes of hypermagnesemia include rhabdomyolysis, tumor lysis syndrome, adrenal insufficiency, hyperparathyroidism, and hypothyroidism. Hypermagnesemia mainly affects the cardiovascular and nervous systems and does so in a dose-dependent manner. The initial effects of hypermagnesemia are nonspecific and can occur at levels of 3 to 4 mEq/L.[9] These include nausea, vomiting, cutaneous vasodilation, and feeling hot all over. As the serum magnesium level increases to 4 to 6 mEq/L, deep tendon reflexes are lost and electrocardiographic changes occur, including PR interval prolongation and QRS interval prolongation. Hypotension, bradycardia, and further conduction abnormalities can occur at serum magnesium levels of 6 to 10 mEq/L. As the level continues to rise to 10 to 15 mEq/L, complete heart block, respiratory depression, and coma can occur. Asystolic arrest is a frequent finding with magnesium levels of greater than 15 mEq/L.[13,23-25] Additionally, the packaging specifically states that one should not use if they have kidney disease.

If you are diabetic, have thyroid problems, adrenal issues, and such in which will affect the kidneys in their ability to clear, then one should not use this product unless they consult their physician. One should also consult their physician if they have a condition in which might affect their kidney's but they haven't necessarily developed actual problems with the kidneys as of yet. This is called latent disease.

Additionally, if one is taking magnesium supplements, or other products which contain magnesium, then one should be informed.

source http://www.avianweb.com/epsomsalt.html halfway down the page.

Furthermore there is some interesting info regarding Epsom and Dead Sea Salt - it even discusses your bathroom plumbing :D
http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18149

May I add to this, that there are a billion opinions on the use or not-use of salts, and that all quoted above is not my personal opinion - just to avoid unnessesary discussions ;)

For Epsom salt lovers the following sites might be interesting
- How to grow your own epsom salt : http://chemistry.about.com/od/growingcrystals/ht/epsomcrystal.htm
- everything on Epsom Salt :
http://www.epsomsaltcouncil.org/about_epsom_salt.cfm

have fun :D
Corry
 
Cheers for the link Corry, and I hear you when you say the comments are not your personal opinion. I am just not certain how hypermagnesemia and concerns re internal use of Epsom salts apply to its use in soapmaking. Not to say that Epsom salts can and should be used in soap; I'm just a bit wary of comments like "You can't use Epsom salts in a salt bar" without at least an I-know-because-I-tried-it, or some other information specifically related to its use in soap. I guess I'm just a big skeptic.
 
I've heard (but I've not tried, since in Italy we don't have Epsom salts) that Epsom salts, and Dead sea salts too, are not good for salt bars because the bars will sweat.
 

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