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Um....laurel berry IS bay which IS Laurus nobilis, so I'm confused. I don't know about EO, but with the actual oil, I've seen aleppo soaps containing up to 70% laurel berry oil.

Thanks. I know soapers are dedicated and in large majority mean well and intend to make a good product. I wasn't discussing or debating that, but we were discussing the use of the term "natural" and what it meant (not much....it's very nebulous!) and mean no disrespect to the work and energy...

I did. Organic is legislated, natural is not. One has clear requirements, the other is used to mean anything at all. You said: " My point has always been about what customers think." That could be....but thinking something that isn't a fact doesn't make it a fact, even if it is thunk very...

As an educated consumer, you would know that any certification is worth verifying. But of course, you are entitled as a consumer to have your own opinions and decisions, but not your own facts. :) There IS a legislated meaning to "certified organic" but not to "natural", and the facts...

That path of logic leads to impossible conversation which doesn't change the regulations or the compliance requirements which exist for the label "organic". Don't use it (although it sounds unlikely that you would or could), but don't make it into some cramped version of what it is, in...

hypoallergenic = hypo means "low" not 'none' so the claim isn't that no one anywhere would be allergic, just that the product has a low relative risk of causing allergic reactions. People with a lot of severe allergies have a high risk of reacting to a low allergenic product, but that doesn't...

http://extension.agron.iastate.edu/organicag/standards.html " Many farmers can transition certain sections of land (such as CRP) immediately into certified organic status, if no synthetic chemicals (including Round-Up® and fertilizers) have been applied for the previous three years."...

If you fulfill the requirements for organic labeling there is no reason at all to avoid it, because you aren't cashing in on ignorance, you've done the due diligence to earn the label. Natural, on the other hand, has no legal standards or definition, and is a marketing term only.

And it doesn't matter anyhow, as lye is allowed within organic standards. :)

Caveat emptor. If someone is making purchasing decisions based on assumptions they have not researched even a little, there is nothing that can be done. The regulations are clear and public. Vendors are responsible for labeling legally according to the clear and public requirements, but are...

Please don't refer to me as "dear girl". Thanks. I did note my error. Yes, what is allowed might come as a surprise, however what is allowed is specifically and publicly available, so there is no need to speculate on whether or not lye in soaps means it is or it isn't organic for the...

No. It specifically prohibits use of lye for that purpose. "Sodium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables. " ETA I see that KOH is allowed. But again, I say, so what? We put product that once used lye on our faces. That does NOT mean there is lye IN the peaches.

Honestly...just make a small batch and try the soap after cure. All the numbers are not as important as whether or not you like the soap. I make 80% coconut oil soap and do not find it drying. Some people swear they crumble to dust at coconut as low as 25%. Soapcalc says "A typical range...

Right, that makes more sense to me, that the plastic smell leached into the product, not that the plastic leached smell FROM the product.

It does if we look at what is meant by organic for the purpose of labeling, and we discover that KOH and NaOH are on the list of allowable synthetics. http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1025eb0e6b67cadf9d3b40&rgn=div6&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32.7&idno=7#se7.3.205_1605...

That would be my thought on it too. :)

I'm wondering the same thing. I would have thought it unlikely in the extreme that they would absorb enough scent to make any difference at all. Do you mean they would leach the plastic scent into the soap?

TEG mentioned that lye made up more than 5% of the batch, so how would that be dealt with?

I quite like the mottled effect. Another case where the problem is the difference between what you wanted and what you got, while I just see what you got (and quite like it!) :) I wish you success with a well-behaved batch!