well, I thought I would try salt bars.. it soaped like it never has even before I added the salt (For HP it gets added at the end). I had trouble keeping the oils hot enough the entire time, struggling to keep it above 160 let alone 170 for fluidity. it never got to vaseline stage and took forever for a negative zap test. even at a lower temp, the soap started to burn. I managed to get 5 good sized bars out of the 40 ounce batch. Im not sure im willing to try that again.