Lots of organisms thrive on roots.....such as the pearlscale organism, for example. We've had battles with them in our front lawn. They eat the roots of our grass and leave unsightly bare, brown areas.
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Also, organic farming produces MUCH less food per acre. So, what's better - to go organic but to use up more habitat? Or to use pesticides and fertilizers, but leave more forest, prairie etc open for wildlife? In the US, the amount of land under cultivation is actually shrinking, returning to wild, while the amount of food we produce grows.
That's not quite true ... or rather, this is changing
Hydroponics and Aquaponics are two very compact, stackable systems.
Haha! But we are ok eating meat/poultry/fish. Go figure!I just threw up a little bit in the back of my throat
I think it's less about the microorganisms than it about eating the whole plant...when you harvest seeds or fruits from a tree or plant, the plant goes on living and reproducing. When you pull up a carrot or onion or potato, that plant's life is over.Right? That was precisely my Q.
Wouldn’t anything that grows in soil theoretically damage these organisms?
Conundrums abound
Jains don't eat garlic either.I think it's less about the microorganisms than it about eating the whole plant...when you harvest seeds or fruits from a tree or plant, the plant goes on living and reproducing. When you pull up a carrot or onion or potato, that plant's life is over.
Some do because they say it's not actually hurting the bees. Some don't because they say it does.
Milk products are another one. I've heard an argument in which someone stated "harvesting" the milk leaves none, or very less, for the calves and that the machines actually hurt. Some don't go that far.
It's them who are confusing me lolAre you confusing vegan and vegetarian?
I don’t know any vegan who will eat honey or dairy milk.
I’m allergic to palm so can’t eat it. I believe products do transfer across the skin barrier so I don’t use it in soap.
Well, it seems to me that some folks may be expanding the definition of 'vegan' beyond what the dictionary says. Not containing animal products is all it means to me because that is what the dictionary says. I have eaten vegan (not currently, though) and if I had to look at the possibility of eating food that met all those extended criteria, I am sure I would have starved to death.
I am a vegetarian going on 20 years now, but was vegan for only about half of a year somewhere in the last decade. It was hard work. But it's not hard work making a vegan friendly soap. Not IMO.
Well, it seems to me that some folks may be expanding the definition of 'vegan' beyond what the dictionary says. Not containing animal products is all it means to me because that is what the dictionary says. I have eaten vegan (not currently, though) and if I had to look at the possibility of eating food that met all those extended criteria, I am sure I would have starved to death.
I am a vegetarian going on 20 years now, but was vegan for only about half of a year somewhere in the last decade. It was hard work. But it's not hard work making a vegan friendly soap. Not IMO.
Hi Everyone
I have a problem let me see if I have understood what I have learned about vegan soap.
There is no such thing. I have been researcing for days
Palm oil .. Is made from plants. so if plant based where is it coming from.How to kill a forrest anyone.
Steric Acid can be plant based or animal fat. All the recipes I have seen do not state which one it is.
Then I remembered something that kinda shocked me. I am into organic farming I have an Aquaponics system so no chemicals allowed. The food industry is allowed to use certain chemicals and is allowed to be called organic now some of these chemicals a full haz suite has to be worn ( whats wrong with this picture )
so does that hold true for companies making vegan soap?
I will have to experiment with the vegetable based steric acid as my dreams are being affected. Shows you how much i have read lol.
has anyone made soap from vegetable steric acid. a person how has deliberatly bought it as vegateble steric acid.
That is what my question is about How can you make good soap without any animal fats or any animal derivatives. I am old school back in the day you did not have a wide range of different oils. Question if you dont use animal fat in making soap, can you call the product soap.
Heck, I'm sure even the stuff I mentioned above probably kills a few ants and a couple of frogs.. so what? They don't count?
So, while I am greatly saddened by the impact of palm, I think it's become more of a trend, and a lot of the hype is because the orangutans are so darn cute, and probably look like someone's uncle or older sister more than a frog would (but some might argue.....)
That is what my question is about How can you make good soap without any animal fats or any animal derivatives. I am old school back in the day you did not have a wide range of different oils. Question if you dont use animal fat in making soap, can you call the product soap.
What do you mean by expanding the definition of vegan .. confused.... my understanding of vegan is no animal products what so ever. but people are using ingredients made from animals and calling it vegan I am not saying its done deliberately. It seams to me to be a case of a person hears that this product is vegan but does not do the research. JMO not set in stone
I have been asked if I can make vegan soap. No animal products what so ever. I have had replys from some wonderful people but still have nt awnsered one main question. People have said theymake vegan soap either coconut oil olive oile tec but does not give me a simple non vegan soap recipe yes I have lookes online but after looking up the ingredients turns out some form of animal fat is hiden in the ingrdiance. I am not looking forAaunt Jamima recipe Just a simple one.
so far this is what I understantyou can use olive oil, coconut oil, butters. You can make some with just one oil. I will be trying that. Just need a little bit more info
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