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I don't think it's worthwhile to try to help customers "get over" ingredients they don't like. I try to make good soap, and good soap can be made with a variety of ingredients in a variety of ways. If they don't want lard, then I offer them a soap that doesn't have lard. Same with palm, which seems to be unpopular now.
 
Yeah this one drives me crazy too. My mom is 80 and won't use the soap I give her because it's "too pretty." I'm like, "Hey mom....clock's tickin' baby. Get to scrubbin'. Lot's more where that came from." I think one us should start a line of soap called "Use Me!"

Oh, I get that, too! People buy it and tell me it's too pretty, so they put it in their underwear drawer.

I had someone convo me on Etsy the other day about my honey oatmeal goat milk soap, and she was clearly hoping I used raw honey and farm fresh goat milk. I live in a fairly urban area. I don't know where I would get that kind of goat milk. I should think Meyenberg from Trader Joe's would work as well as farm fresh.

My point is that you can't make everyone happy. Best thing is to be as diverse as you van be so there is something for everyone.
 
she was clearly hoping I used raw honey and farm fresh goat milk.

This is a prime example of miseducation about food. Farm fresh milk needs to be pasturized to have a shelf life, so if you didn't have a processed milk, your soap would be rancid inside a week.

And honey is raw. There's issues with honey purity and safety because the sources aren't clear and there's some unsafe honey going around the US, but that doesn't negate that honey is raw. It just is. Pollen is filtered out of it, so technically food honey is a sap... but yeah, I can't think of anything in particular that makes honey not raw, unless it's cooked, but I've never heard of that.
 
In the pasteurizing & filtering process the honey gets heated. So many think it's benefits are removed. I, myself, cannot have the 'raw' or 'fresh' honey with the pollen & honeycomb in the jar. Cause stated in another tread I am allergic.
 
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I know that it takes at least 120 degrees to pasturized something but really, once you put it in the soap, no honey or milk is going to be raw anymore.
 
Yeah this one drives me crazy too. My mom is 80 and won't use the soap I give her because it's "too pretty." I'm like, "Hey mom....clock's tickin' baby. Get to scrubbin'. Lot's more where that came from." I think one us should start a line of soap called "Use Me!"

Make sure the ones you give her are the "ugly" ones. I usually have an ugly one on the end of my loaf, depending on what mold I use. My daughter refuses to give soap to anyone who says they didn't use it because of all the reasons given here.
 
In the pasteurizing & filtering process the honey gets heated. So many think it's benefits are removed. I, myself, cannot have the 'raw' or 'fresh' honey with the pollen & honeycomb in the jar. Cause stated in another tread I am allergic.

I guess it does get a little bit heated doesn't it?Do you know for sure if they cook it or is it just warmed in the filtration process?
 
I guess it does get a little bit heated doesn't it?Do you know for sure if they cook it or is it just warmed in the filtration process?
unless it states raw, most honey is heated to 160 for pasturization. It can still contain botulism spores after pasturization but it is pasturized.
 
Stop telling people what's in it. Most don't really care. At least that's my experience. I have sold for a total of about 5 years (but been out of it for past 6 years). I found a few looked at the label, but almost never questioned what was on it. The others never even looked at the ingredients. I have always used tallow, and have never had anyone question it at all.

Every now and then, I would be asked if my soaps were all natural. I would just say they mostly are, except for some of the colors and fragrances. Then they would go ahead and buy it!

Also, the whole thing about oils & fats doesn't sound appealing anyway. Ours soaps are not oil & fats - they're a whole new substance - soap - after the chemical reaction takes place.

Well put. And never be apologetic for using lard or tallow. If you deep down don't feel good about them, go all-vegetable and be done with it. I can't ever remember studying the ingredients on a bar of soap til I began making it. I would buy ones with oatmeal or aloe because they sounded good. The rest was a mystery to me and liking the soap depended on scent, how nice it lathered and treated my skin.
 
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I don't think most people hate lard because it comes from animals. Most people don't like the idea of lard being in their soap because all they have ever heard about it for their whole lives is that it's bad for you and cheap. Whereas shea butter is a real attention getter, people like shea butter because all they have heard about it are really good things. Whether or not they are (i've heard shea can cause allergic reactions in quite a few people) it's just about what they have heard most of their lives through media and their friends.

I'm no vegetarian/vegan, I tried several times but it's near impossible for me. I make my soaps without animal products. Trying to EAT vegan = difficult/near impossible. Making vegan SOAP = easy + I am including more people in my market if I were to sell it. I don't sell it, but when/if I do I'd be making a larger customer base for myself. Plus if I give it as a gift at least I know they will use it. I also try to stay away from stuff I know are common allergy ingredients, but that proves to be difficult (e.g. the shea butter).

Thats just my logic. Call me a hypocrite, but I think it's better for sales/gifts. :D
 
All good points Wallflower. Many will buy soap because it does NOT have animal products, but nobody will say " I want a soap with extra dead animals in it." Are there inherent drawbacks to NOT using animal byproducts in soap? Doesn't it raise the cost?
 
All good points Wallflower. Many will buy soap because it does NOT have animal products, but nobody will say " I want a soap with extra dead animals in it." Are there inherent drawbacks to NOT using animal byproducts in soap? Doesn't it raise the cost?
I don't know, call it a Bacon soap and people will come running!
 
Thats just my logic. Call me a hypocrite, but I think it's better for sales/gifts. :D

Hey Wallflower,

You're no hypocrite! I totally understand the wisdom of making all vegetable soap. You're right, all people can use it, so why not? :p

If I lived in an area or had a lot of friends who were vegans, I would go that route, too. I haven't run into many (I can't think of anyone, but some may have read my label and moved on without saying anything), so I go with the formula I like. And yes, because it's cheaper.
 
I think calling someone a "hypocrite" because they eat meat but choose to make all vegetable soap is a bit harsh, and frankly, quite offensive.

There are lots of usable and edible parts to "food animals" that most animal-fat-soapers wouldn't eat, like pig ears, pigs feet, cow tongue, cow stomach and brain...should I say that they're wasteful because they aren't using all the useful parts of that animal in their personal life? Do they know exactly where their lard or tallow is coming from, and that the meat they eat is directly related to the fats they soap? Just as there are nasty little secrets in the vegetable oil industry (specifically Palm, but also the tainting of Olive Oil), there are plenty of dirty little secrets in the animal fats world.

I was raised in a family of avid hunters, and my grandfather and two uncles are (retired now) butchers. I have helped butcher hogs and deer, and eaten a variety of meats...whether I liked it or not (Dad!). My dad uses as much of the animal as he can, or finds someone else that can. He makes jerky, sausage, ground meats...uses bone and antler to make Native American knives, beads, necklaces, etc...the hides go to a local taxidermist. My family are meat-eaters. I, however, could take it or leave it, depending on the day and the meal. If it were up to me, I would create a new eating style word: Carbegetarian (carbs & veggies, please). I call my sons "meatatarians" because they would be happy to just eat meat for meals.
But I only soap vegetable oils.
I'm not sure how that makes me a hypocrite, but...
I never bash animal oil soapers, or those of you that use fragrance oils or oxides. My only issue is those that use lab created scents and colors calling their soap "all natural". If you are using lab created scent and color, its not "all natural" in my opinion...but that's a different thread...
My soap business has been successful, even here in the south with a bunch of meat eaters. I don't promote my veggie soaps as "better than" animal fats. I don't tell people that if they use synthetically scented or colored products that their arms will fall off. No one has ever asked me if my Palm oil is sustainable, but they have asked if they contain animal products because they're looking for all vegetable based. The only animal product that I get requests for is Goats Milk soap, which I don't make (I use Coconut Milk).

I'm okay with not pleasing everyone.
If I made animal based soaps, someone would be offended by that. If I make all veggie soaps, someone may call me a hypocrite because I eat meat. If I use essential oils, someone has heard they're dangerous. If I use fragrance oils, someone will complain that they cause cancer. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get my point...you can't please everyone.

And as for "just don't tell them what's in there"...if we're talking hypocritical...isn't that what soapers complain about commercial companies doing?
If the ingredients you use to soap are safe and effective, why not blatantly state them?
 
And as for "just don't tell them what's in there"...if we're talking hypocritical...isn't that what soapers complain about commercial companies doing?
If the ingredients you use to soap are safe and effective, why not blatantly state them?

Alchemy,

I wasn't saying that anyone should hide what's in their soap. I fully label mine. I was just saying to quit going around talking about it if people are put off by it. Don't bring it up unless asked. And in fact, I was kind of making a joke. I guess it sounded harsher than I intended.
 

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