So the title says it all. I've been making soap for a while now and decided to soap at room temperature with olive coconut lard shea and castor with lavender essential oil. I got a false trace immediately and i need help to save it. I've never rebatched before and I am looking you guys to come save me! How exactly do i go about this?
Tried soaping at room temp FALSE TRACE :( Need help rebatching
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mintle
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Oh dear :/ I am so sorry.
I would probably hot process it from now on.
You probably don't have crockpot, so I would just transfer the whole soap (scrap the sides of your red container) into the stainless steel pot, and then place this pot in a larger one (so that the bottoms of the pots do not touch each other) filled with water.
Then heat slowly the large pot and mix the soap in the smaller one, as much as it is possible.
What is your recipe? If you did discount water, I would add some (recalculate it again) so that you're soaping with full water in the hp process. The water will evaporate in the process of cooking, so it is quite important to start with the full amount - you will be able to spoon your soap more easily into the mold at the end and the result will be more smooth.
As the soap heats up very slowly, please take a look at the tutorial (there are many other but this will do):
http://www.gracefruit.com/crock-pot-hot-process-soap-tutorial.html
Wait and at the end of this process (the stages might look different than in the tutorial, depending on your recipe) please check if the soap zaps.
And good luck! Let us know how it went.
I would probably hot process it from now on.
You probably don't have crockpot, so I would just transfer the whole soap (scrap the sides of your red container) into the stainless steel pot, and then place this pot in a larger one (so that the bottoms of the pots do not touch each other) filled with water.
Then heat slowly the large pot and mix the soap in the smaller one, as much as it is possible.
What is your recipe? If you did discount water, I would add some (recalculate it again) so that you're soaping with full water in the hp process. The water will evaporate in the process of cooking, so it is quite important to start with the full amount - you will be able to spoon your soap more easily into the mold at the end and the result will be more smooth.
As the soap heats up very slowly, please take a look at the tutorial (there are many other but this will do):
http://www.gracefruit.com/crock-pot-hot-process-soap-tutorial.html
Wait and at the end of this process (the stages might look different than in the tutorial, depending on your recipe) please check if the soap zaps.
And good luck! Let us know how it went.
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froggybean37
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Oh darn....
Here is a pretty good article on rebatching from soapqueen: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/hot-process-hero-2/
Here is a pretty good article on rebatching from soapqueen: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/hot-process-hero-2/
That actually looks more like seize or severe acceleration. Did it happen when you added the lavender EO? You ever use that EO before? I've heard that some lavender is really tricky to work with.
I agree it does look more like a seizure. Lavender EO's can do that sometimes.
You could either hp it in a crockpot:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VRGIPSBqF8[/ame]
or put it in a stainless steel pot and pop it into the oven
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko0pJgIKRFM[/ame]
or double boiler method like explained above.
I'm with Obsidian. Looks more like seized soap. BTW, if you do ever have false trace, just keep stick blending through it. You can't stick blend through this.
If you have a crock pot, just toss it in there while it is still soft enough to not have to grate it. And cook it til it gets a vaseline appearance.
If you have a crock pot, just toss it in there while it is still soft enough to not have to grate it. And cook it til it gets a vaseline appearance.
Thanks guys. I waited about 40 mins and hadn't gotten any replies so I just winged it and put it in the crock pot. The recipe has 30% olive, 25% coconut, 25% lard, 15% shea butter and 5% castor with full water amount. I have the crock pot set on low and I've been stirring it every so often. It's really soft almost frothy but it doesn't really look like it's melting :/
lpstephy85
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It doesn't melt exactly, it more like thick vaseline or soft mashed potatoes. If its soft enough to stir and any big chunks are cooked down, you can probably go ahead and mold it.
I like this video, it shows the texture of HP really well.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui1atWMtCwM[/ame]
I like this video, it shows the texture of HP really well.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui1atWMtCwM[/ame]
Dahila
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you said you soaped at room temps? So the lard was hard and they shea butter, I thought it should be in liquid form. I soap (I am newbie too) in 36 Celsius when I need more time with the colors. 36 C =96.8 F
No need to insulate, its should completely saponified at this point. I usually cut my HP as soon as its cooled completely and is firm, usually 4 hours or so. Don't judge the looks until you cut, it just may surprise you.
@Dahila usually when someone says room temp, they mean just warm enough to melt the hard oils, around 75-80*F
@Dahila usually when someone says room temp, they mean just warm enough to melt the hard oils, around 75-80*F
She did not mention the heat transfer method when you use hot lye to melt the oils. I am assuming she used room temp melted oils and room temp lye. I am aslo guessing it was a seizure from the lavender oil. I have a wonderful Bulgarian Lavender eo that is absolutely hateful for soaping. Instant soap -on a stick. What I do with siezures like that is slap a lid on it and let it go into gel then mix and pour in the mold quickly. It will look a lot like a hot process but is not fully saponified like actual hp
Dahila
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Thank you ladies. I thought the room temp is the room temp. Now I know better, in soaping it means a bit different
) thank you for explanation
) thank you for explanation 
Dahlia, I get what you're saying. The phrase "I soaped at room temperature" is a little like my grandmother's recipe for peach pie -- there's a lot more to making it than what's written down! Also, in the depths of a typical Iowa August, 85-95 deg F would be room temperature for me.
