We reach 32 degrees celsius at the height of summer and it's still hard as nails in that temp.
If you're asking this because you think the soy wax will affect swirls - it won't. I use soy wax at 20% and also Shea butter at 10% and do swirls aplenty. However, I would recommend you soap a bit warmer than 33 degrees because you can get stearic spots or false trace. I usually soap around 38 minimum - usually more like 42.Hello,
I need help to decide if this recipe will work out for doing swirl designs. Thank you in advance. I am willing to use a blend of Tea tree, lavender and Rosemary essential oil. Also Planning to use oxide colors and planning to soap at room temperature i.e... at 33 celcius
If you're asking this because you think the soy wax will affect swirls - it won't. I use soy wax at 20% and also Shea butter at 10% and do swirls aplenty. However, I would recommend you soap a bit warmer than 33 degrees because you can get stearic spots or false trace. I usually soap around 38 minimum - usually more like 42.
Faster compared to what? All tracing speeds are relative to your prior experience and expectations. I'd estimate 75% of controlling trace is knowing how to mix and when to stop. Keep the temp between 37-46° C, and the rest is up to your judgment.I need to also know if this recipe trace faster when I work at a higher temperature?
I want to clear something up that seems to confuse people regarding soy wax.
If your soy wax flakes are very hard and dry and feel like bits of brittle plastic AND have a HIGH melting point, it is fully hydrogenated and is NOT the kind used for making candles*, but can be used in skin care products.
If your soy wax flakes are a little bit soft and feel somewhat oily, AND have a LOW melting point, it is partially hydrogenated and is the kind that is frequently blended with additives and used for candles. If you want it without the candle additives so you can use it in skin care products, make sure you are buying GW415 or equivalent.
They have similar, but different SAP values. Fully hydrogenated soybean oil has a slightly higher SAP (0.137 for NaOH) vs. partially hydrogenated or just plain soybean oil (0.136). However, they each have very different fatty acid profiles and will make very different soaps. Go to the SoapMaking Friend lye calculator and look at the numbers and the recipe properties for each one (including just plain unhydrogenated soybean oil).
*Here is what happens when you use the fully hydrogenated stuff to make scented candles (scroll down a few posts to see the timelapse videos): help. why is this happening?
I use 415 but last year ( unbeknown to me until I was at the end of my 5kg box) I used 464 and didn't notice any difference at all. Somebody at my suppliers had shipped me the wrong stuff!I believe some folks who cannot obtain GW415, such as some the UK & down under are using 464 with good results.
I got mine from MMS. They do not make it clear on their website that it is what they're selling. I had no idea what it was until I got it. I thought I was buying something like GW415 or similar, but when I received it, it didn't look right. I looked up the info sheet for fully hydrogenated soybean oil from an industrial supplier, and the melting temperature matches the stuff I have (close to 160°, whereas the melting temperature of partially hydrogenated soybean oil, i.e. GW415 is more like 120 - 125° or so) It also feels like it has no oil in it when I rub a piece between my fingers, which makes sense.I didn't know individuals (as opposed to large corporations) could still purchase fully hydrogenated Soy anymore in the US. I tried some time ago and had no luck finding anyone who would sell small quantities.
Can you please help? I want to know do you melt soy wax with your hard oils or separat?I can't speak for replacement of any of those three because I've never used them. I use about 20% soy wax as my 'hardener' for want of a better word, to replace the need for any of those three. I also use 10 - 15% shea butter in every batch and my soaps seem to have a lovely lather. I use 20 % CO as well and the rest soft oils.
I melt my soy wax & other hard oils with some of the liquid oils. The added heat of the soft oils surrounding the hard oils helps them to melt. I generally do this in the microwave overn, but it can be done in a crock pot or on stove top or hot plate or however you normally heat things.Can you please help? I want to know do you melt soy wax with your hard oils or separat?
Thank youI melt my soy wax & other hard oils with some of the liquid oils. The added heat of the soft oils surrounding the hard oils helps them to melt. I generally do this in the microwave overn, but it can be done in a crock pot or on stove top or hot plate or however you normally heat things.
As far as I know, there's only cause for concern if you're eating it.I don't want to derail this thread at all (I see it happened early on) but is there any sort of reassurance with regards to soy and it's estrogenic properties for dudes? I want to try to make a shave soap with soy being it has the highest stearic content and found an amazing recipe online.
This seams the perfect ingredient for shave soap checking a lot of the required boxes AND helps avoid palm and animal products.
That whole soy containing oestrogen thing is a storm in a teacup. The plant-based oestrogen contained in soy is not the same as the female hormone and will not affect males if eaten. The Top 5 Soy MythsI don't want to derail this thread at all (I see it happened early on) but is there any sort of reassurance with regards to soy and it's estrogenic properties for dudes? I want to try to make a shave soap with soy being it has the highest stearic content and found an amazing recipe online.
This seems the perfect ingredient for shave soap checking a lot of the required boxes AND helps avoid palm and animal products.
Think about this:I don't want to derail this thread at all (I see it happened early on) but is there any sort of reassurance with regards to soy and it's estrogenic properties for dudes? I want to try to make a shave soap with soy being it has the highest stearic content and found an amazing recipe online.
Think about this:
How long does the lather remain on the skin? Is it long enough to absorb anything that remains in the soap AFTER saponification?
Also, highly processes soy products have fewer phytoestrogens than raw soy beans and the lesser processed forms of soy. Heat also breaks them down. So what is left of these phytoestrogens in soy after heat and sodium hydroxide have done their thing?
Besides that "Phytoestrogens are not found in the fatty portion of the soybean plant. This is why soybean oil does not contain phytoestrogens. " (https://www.thelamfoundation.org/Portals/0/Files/5 - Soy and LAM.pdf?ver=2016-02-01-132355-793)
Thank you both, this was the exact nudge I needed.That whole soy containing oestrogen thing is a storm in a teacup. The plant-based oestrogen contained in soy is not the same as the female hormone and will not affect males if eaten. The Top 5 Soy Myths
Many things have been brought up already. Let me add that even if phytoestrogens made it into the oil, I don't believe that they would survive the harsh conditions of hydrogenation (high temperatures, hydrogen pressure, catalysts). Not even a simple molecule like oleic acid does, and that's the whole point of hydrogenation.I don't want to derail this thread at all (I see it happened early on) but is there any sort of reassurance with regards to soy and it's estrogenic properties for dudes?
Many things have been brought up already. Let me add that even if phytoestrogens made it into the oil, I don't believe that they would survive the harsh conditions of hydrogenation (high temperatures, hydrogen pressure, catalysts). Not even a simple molecule like oleic acid does, and that's the whole point of hydrogenation.
But if you (or your customers) still aren't convinced (or you want to avoid the silly “unmanly” rep of soy for the sake of “green labeling”), you still can opt for a hydrogenated wax made from canola or sunflower oil. Guaranteed 100% safe from containing any soy phytoestrogens.
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