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Well.....my feelings with this are mixed....
Yes, I know for a fact that topicals DO work for various issues, including those in 'wash off' products, despite those who would disagree. And despite those who disagree, I continue to do what I know works. Direct experience trumps opinion, although we're all entitled to our personal opinions.
I also know that the components mentioned in the article DO have a very powerful effect on the skin, having used them myself, even when used in wash off products. This kid very well may be on to something, and if he is, he may quickly be shut down / shut up / maligned. Would personally love to speak with him & check out his product.
If you want to see some incredible healing of already-established skin cancers, get yourself some Phoenix Tears - whole plant resin extracted from cannabis. Also known as Rick Simpson 'oil'. This resin is like tree pitch in texture & viscosity. Apply straight up, directly to the skin, and cover with a clean bandage. Continue to do this until the 'cancer' heals or literally falls off. Warts will do this too, no matter how long they have been rooted in the body. I have seen it work. Super powerful stuff. When we used to have medicinal dispensaries which were giving cannabis extracts away to people dealing with various types of cancers, HIV, you name it - before cannabis became corporatized - I witnessed some incredible healing going on.
EDIT: the product in this article sounds more like a treatment vs a preventative, although it may be both.
Yes, I know for a fact that topicals DO work for various issues, including those in 'wash off' products, despite those who would disagree. And despite those who disagree, I continue to do what I know works. Direct experience trumps opinion, although we're all entitled to our personal opinions.
I also know that the components mentioned in the article DO have a very powerful effect on the skin, having used them myself, even when used in wash off products. This kid very well may be on to something, and if he is, he may quickly be shut down / shut up / maligned. Would personally love to speak with him & check out his product.
If you want to see some incredible healing of already-established skin cancers, get yourself some Phoenix Tears - whole plant resin extracted from cannabis. Also known as Rick Simpson 'oil'. This resin is like tree pitch in texture & viscosity. Apply straight up, directly to the skin, and cover with a clean bandage. Continue to do this until the 'cancer' heals or literally falls off. Warts will do this too, no matter how long they have been rooted in the body. I have seen it work. Super powerful stuff. When we used to have medicinal dispensaries which were giving cannabis extracts away to people dealing with various types of cancers, HIV, you name it - before cannabis became corporatized - I witnessed some incredible healing going on.
EDIT: the product in this article sounds more like a treatment vs a preventative, although it may be both.
It's not a preventative, it's a peel, a remover of affected skin. Would it remove every kind of precancerous lesion? Probably not.
May well be useful though in the situations the very smart & caring young man is trying to help.
But please don't soapers in the industrialized world start marketing it to unsuspecting users including themselves.
Strong peeling agents can be disfiguring-- or make sunburns worse, and sunburns can lead to skin cancer.
And unless we have the medical training to know the difference between dermatitis, rosacea, skin cancers, eczema, etc, we'd best not be diagnosing ourselves or others. And leave the anti cancer peel to the dermatologist.
Signed, a person who has had surgical removal of lesions, peels, and a couple of skin conditions that looked cancerous and were not.
May well be useful though in the situations the very smart & caring young man is trying to help.
But please don't soapers in the industrialized world start marketing it to unsuspecting users including themselves.
Strong peeling agents can be disfiguring-- or make sunburns worse, and sunburns can lead to skin cancer.
And unless we have the medical training to know the difference between dermatitis, rosacea, skin cancers, eczema, etc, we'd best not be diagnosing ourselves or others. And leave the anti cancer peel to the dermatologist.
Signed, a person who has had surgical removal of lesions, peels, and a couple of skin conditions that looked cancerous and were not.
Surgeries & other pharmaceutical treatments are also not 100% effective.
Does that mean we should never use them?
Probably not.
There's a lot more going on than what we see on the surface when it comes to any skin issue, including various types of skin cancers. There are many internal factors which play into these health imbalances.
The Washington Times is known for being pretty crap. Not the National Enquirer, but not somewhere you'd look to for important information.
He sounds like a great kid, and a really bright one, I'm sure he has a bright future full of worthy contributions. But I agree with Paradisi that the average soapmaker shouldn't be including aggressive topical ingredients into their soaps and advertising them as anti-carginogenic (or even worse, treatments for cancer.) I am actually kind of curious about how the FDA would respond to this soap if it becomes anything more than a high school science contest winner.
ETA: @BWt, didn't mean to suggest that you were citing the W. Times as a reliable source, from personal experience I know that in these internet days all of us get our information from everywhere! I lived in DC for 10 years, worked at NPR for 3 of them, and in those days we still got hard copies of all the newspapers every morning. I just used to get so disgusted by having to look at the Times every day I still have a residual need to stomp them, I guess. Definitely not you though, sorry if it seemed that way!
He sounds like a great kid, and a really bright one, I'm sure he has a bright future full of worthy contributions. But I agree with Paradisi that the average soapmaker shouldn't be including aggressive topical ingredients into their soaps and advertising them as anti-carginogenic (or even worse, treatments for cancer.) I am actually kind of curious about how the FDA would respond to this soap if it becomes anything more than a high school science contest winner.
ETA: @BWt, didn't mean to suggest that you were citing the W. Times as a reliable source, from personal experience I know that in these internet days all of us get our information from everywhere! I lived in DC for 10 years, worked at NPR for 3 of them, and in those days we still got hard copies of all the newspapers every morning. I just used to get so disgusted by having to look at the Times every day I still have a residual need to stomp them, I guess. Definitely not you though, sorry if it seemed that way!
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I find this highly doubtful. And even if it does, the big corporations will buy it out and we will never see it. There's no money in healing things completely.
BritS
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Wouldn’t it be easier to put the ingredients he’s claiming eliminate cancer in something that doesn’t wash off? I’m curious about how those survive the saponification process.
AliensrReal
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The ingredients used in the soap are for people with actinic keratosis which is a precancerous lesion that can develop into squamous cell carcinoma. The ingredients are already used at high concentrations for the treatment of this and several other conditions, so it already known these ingredients can and do work. Wash off products can be effective depending on duration, strength and type of chemical used. He just came up with a cheaper way to treat people which is great if it works.
You guys are so interesting and I love to hear your thoughts! I appreciate the positive discourse over potentially difficult conversations. I like hearing different perspectives from people. I found something I could agree with from each of you - what an interesting world! 
I have a mole on my back that didn't used to be there...been considering having it removed....and yes I used a tanning bed in the 90s. This is a subject I pay attention to when it crosses my path.
I have a mole on my back that didn't used to be there...been considering having it removed....and yes I used a tanning bed in the 90s. This is a subject I pay attention to when it crosses my path.
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I agree - we’ve been using a coal tar based shampoo for my son since he was three (he’s 12 now, so almost 10 years) daily to control his psoriasis on his scalp and ears. He has not had another psoriasis outbreak on his scalp or ears in almost 10 years with near daily application of coal tar, so somehow it works. I have no idea how it works but it does.
So much better than daily steroid application that would have unacceptably thinned his skin out over the last 10 years.
This treatment goes back to the early 1900s So it’s a bit of historical folk medicine that eventually got scientific acceptance.
Only downside is that it smells terrible. My toddler started to smell of a construction site! But eventually we all got use to the smell.
I can’t recommend it enough! Maybe there is away you could incorporate coal tar for people with psoriasis. Other tars like pine tar do not in any way work as well - it’s got to be coal based tar.
Interesting... our experience is that pine tar salve, and pine tar soap or neem soap, work best for my husband's psoriasis. Guess it depends on the person!
ETA: his psoriasis is primarily on his arms and trunk, not his head (unless he eats a lot of sugar) so maybe the type or location of the psoriasis also makes a difference?
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I do not l know - have you tried coal tar? Neutrogena T-Gel is what we use.
His ears is are definitely more of a flaky Inverse psoriasis but his scalp would get thicker flakes. Neither were anything like the thick plaques arms and legs can get.
For his skin we use a JAK (the bio molecule it targets) pharmaceutical cream.
Yes, coal tar was irritating for him, so we don't use it. If the plaques get too bad and don't respond to my salve, he uses clobetasol. Sugar is a major trigger, but he loves dessert, so....
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Here’s a link to a perfectly reliable news piece about the young soap-making scientist who won the 2023 3M Young Scientist’s Challenge. “His goal is to create a soap that could treat skin cancer, and to make it affordable for everyone who needs it... Bekele's award-winning soap was inspired by his childhood in Ethiopia before moving to the United States at the age of 4. The soap delivers cancer- fighting drugs via lipid nanoparticles – which work to activate the body's immune cells to fend off cancer.”
PaintyLiz
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WOW so much going on in this post. So many things to which I will try not to respond LOL
Re soap invention. @MelissaG It will probably be very successful. It uses lipid nanoparticles to deliver drugs. Lipid nanoparticles can cross the blood/brain barrier and the placental barriers. Scary, scary stuff here folks.
Re Phoenix Tears. @QuasiQuadrant Sounds interesting. An easier to obtain and use product is Organic Apple Cider Vinegar. It will CURE moles & skin cancer. It is NOT a PEEL. (and don't buy any fruit with apeel on the surface btw) ACV will heal your skin from the inside out, yes it takes awhile, but I've done it and can prove it.
If you want something a bit stronger, cut up some eggplant and ferment it in the acv. Spray that on your skin. Works wonders.
Re newspapers. The ones with the 'best' reputation are the ones that will obediently spout the curent narrative. The ones that are 'iffy' are the ones that tell the truth. Rats I wasn't going to touch that one. LOL Just realize how many well-credentialled scientists & doctors are being muzzled, censored & banned for speaking about any issues with current medical procedures. If the supression of scientific debate doesn't wake you up, nothing will.
Signed, a person who has had surgical removal of lesions, skin cancers multiple times and finally got smart and stopped going to pharma for answers & started using God's natural products instead. Much better now!
Re soap invention. @MelissaG It will probably be very successful. It uses lipid nanoparticles to deliver drugs. Lipid nanoparticles can cross the blood/brain barrier and the placental barriers. Scary, scary stuff here folks.
Re Phoenix Tears. @QuasiQuadrant Sounds interesting. An easier to obtain and use product is Organic Apple Cider Vinegar. It will CURE moles & skin cancer. It is NOT a PEEL. (and don't buy any fruit with apeel on the surface btw) ACV will heal your skin from the inside out, yes it takes awhile, but I've done it and can prove it.
If you want something a bit stronger, cut up some eggplant and ferment it in the acv. Spray that on your skin. Works wonders.
Re newspapers. The ones with the 'best' reputation are the ones that will obediently spout the curent narrative. The ones that are 'iffy' are the ones that tell the truth. Rats I wasn't going to touch that one. LOL Just realize how many well-credentialled scientists & doctors are being muzzled, censored & banned for speaking about any issues with current medical procedures. If the supression of scientific debate doesn't wake you up, nothing will.
Signed, a person who has had surgical removal of lesions, skin cancers multiple times and finally got smart and stopped going to pharma for answers & started using God's natural products instead. Much better now!
A naturally derived solvent called DMSO also helps substances cross the blood / brain barrier, as well as assists in substances penetrating the skin even deeper...I have been experimenting with this on myself as of late...I would NOT use it with anything containing preservatives, colorants, flavorings etc. That could turn out not so nicely. You cannot use plastic with it as it seriously leaches out the chemical compounds used in plastics & then carries them into your body *very* quickly. No aluminum, no non-stick coatings, none of that garbage - glass only. For anyone wishing to experiment on themselves, buy the 99.99% strength - pharmaceutical grade. Find a good, reputable supplier. No, I am not encouraging this, simply stating BE AWARE and do your research. You are ultimately responsible for your own health & safety, or should be.
Apple cider vinegar is very good, but if taking it internally on a regular basis, it's a good idea to supplement with high quality minerals. My grandmother did this for many years, and likewise my uncle who is still alive & kicking. Both had some heart issues for which they never took pharmaceuticals. Only apple cider vinegar mixed with a little bit of raw honey & chilli pepper, little bit of water, tossed right back every morning.
When we become more responsible for ourselves & our families in terms of health & wellness, we will see more people making their own extracts, and they will become much more widely available. The mistake people made was waiting for government to 'legalize' these plants LOL What an absolute gong-show...if the majority deliberately defy a law which is corrupt & was not implemented for the greater good of all, that law then becomes toothless....but people need to learn a whole new way of thinking & choosing to act before they will have any real courage to make these things happen. I speak from generations of ancestral experience, believe me....
Yes APEEL is something which I have been looking out for, but question whether or not the company producing this abomination is legally required to state they are using it on produce. Yet another reason to be growing food.
This is not a fermentation process per se, more of an extraction process. I make vinegar extractions with various herbs, as well as fire ciders, which are phenomenal. You should be able to ferment eggplant by itself using a salt water solution. Lots of videos on YouTube regarding fermentation. Some very good ones. I like using a couple of raw, rock hard chickpeas in my fermentations, which seems to speed things up.
Yes ma'am
and not only newspapers. This is specifically why I don't have a TV & I do not subscribe to any print publications. Threw that garbage on the rubbish heap close to 10 years ago...Sometimes....as in, we still need to be discerning regarding what we are listening to, reading, taking in, because there is rubbish being spouted everywhere, including on independent platforms which tout 'no censorship' where it's an 'anything goes' kinda thing based on complete 'freedom of speech'. That's all fine & good, but people have not yet gotten to the point where they can easily smell the BS due to the fact that they've been eating pablum all their lives. Many platforms end up being taken over by those who don't have a shred of discernment in their noggins, unfortunately. They just jump on anything & everything as being truth if it seems to be 'independent' or 'subversive' or 'uncensored'...that doesn't mean it's true...I'm looking at you BitChite & Rumble. They started off good, but have become an absolute
show...they are platforms I have been avoiding for quite some time now precisely because of this.Yes, yes and yes....I will leave that there as is because there is a great deal to be discussed around this topic, and I disagree with many on both sides of the issue...as I said, discernment. It shouldn't be that people are looking to choose sides, with one side being the 'bad guys' and the other side being the 'good guys'. We have been trained, and trained VERY well, to react in this manner....democrat / republican / communist / marxist / anarchist etc, catholic / christian / muslim / buddhist etc, black / white / asian / whatever, gay / straight / whatever....it's all about fear-mongering, deliberate division & playing the game as others have set the game up for it to play out. This is infantile thinking, and reacting, and unfortunately, I have been watching a whole lot of this going on all of my life, and even more this past 3+ years, with friends, with family, community members etc *sigh*
People should be sussing out - using logic, common sense, intelligence & independent research & thinking - the 
from the If there is a sniff of someone stoking the flames of division, hatred, fear, anger, worry, anxiety, enflaming one side against another using ANY justification, we should all have enough intelligence by now to sniff this out & to refuse to play that game....simply walk away & refuse to participate for any reason...our primary goal should be to live in joy, in love, in acceptance of others, dropping the need to punish, shame & subjugate....we have seen how all this plays out over many generations, and none of it plays out for anyone's good...just take a look around us....Yes, there is a whole lot to be said for being truly responsible for our own health...it is really freeing, and very much a part of people taking their personal power back
That I can attest to myself....PaintyLiz
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Just to clarify @QuasiQuadrant I meant to spray the ACV on skin issues. It takes quite awhile (month or so) of spraying 3+ times per day, but one day, it will be gone. I had a mole on my chest that as I aged, started getting larger. ACV healed it and many other skin blemishes! You can't even tell where they were! It heals skin cancers on my body too! (and yes, I HAVE had multiple verified skin cancers removed by surgeries) This is not medical advice, just my experiences, ymmv.
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