Rehab the hair (or how to get away from lye based shampoo)?

[szaza]

@Lyric your hair is absolutely gorgeous! I hope one day my hair will be such a pretty silver

Rhassoul was my favorite clay to use on my hair, but everyone is different, so experiment away just a small tip: wash your ears thoroughly after a clay hairmask.. I once went to work with a lump of clay stuck in the crease of my ear

Although I really liked washing my hair with clay, it was a lot of work and I don't do it often anymore. I tried a few natural shampoos which were ok, but last summer my hair got very damaged from all the dust of the renovation and I went to a dedicated haircare shop to find something more protective and nourishing. They pointed me in the direction of a natural haircare brand that I now adore. I'm in EU, so might nog be available for most of you, but this is what I'm using:
https://www.floralehaircare.com/metamorphose-magna-macadamia-&-argan-oil-shampoo-hmemag00001https://www.floralehaircare.com/metamorphose-magna-macadamia-argan-oil-potion-11-150ml

 

[HoliHealerz]

I don't understand your statement that you don't use chemicals on your hair. Even water is a chemical (H20).

Hope

I can be more dictionary friendly for those who do not understand the general meaning of my statement.

 

[Hope Ann]

I can be more dictionary friendly for those who do not understand the general meaning of my statement.

You wrote that you never dye your hair nor use any chemicals. EVERYTHING in life is a chemical. So I don't understand your statement.

Hope

 

[HoliHealerz]

You wrote that you never dye your hair nor use any chemicals. EVERYTHING in life is a chemical. So I don't understand your statement. I also don't appreciate your tone.

Hope

Step one. Are you honestly telling me that you have No idea what someone means when they say that they do not use chemicals on their hair?
Ok then perhaps I should explain what people who leave out the word 'synthetic' mean when they say the word 'chemical'. They mean natural. I hope that this detail is now clear. But it does not solve the bigger issue that you didnt understand.

 

[HoliHealerz]

Step one. Are you honestly telling me that you have No idea what someone means when they say that they do not use chemicals on their hair?
Ok then perhaps I should explain what people who leave out the word 'synthetic' mean when they say the word 'chemical'. They mean natural. I hope that this detail is now clear. But it does not solve the bigger issue that you didnt understand (given that you are here to teach others).

 

[HoliHealerz]

Step two. I did not make the initial statement here that one STILL HAS TO WAIT after creating HP JUST like in CP when this is FALSE. One can let the soap harden through time but once ph has reached neutral and the gel phase is complete. Then the soap is done. It is SAFE to use because the criteria is the ph. Need vs HAVE TO. As I have stated several times already. This was not ME picking or as you wished to label my defense of facts as 'argumentative' in response to several people falsely claiming that safety refers to weigh (they mentioned that one of the tests was to weight the soap before 'cure' and after as a proof) or hardness or they wouldnt say HAVE TO.
I was also accused of misinterpreting an article when all I did was pull out the words used in the article. If that is misinterpreting then perhaps it says something about the article and not the reader or quoter.
Another point that I have seen here is that CP and HP are hot topics. If this is the case then one cannot call oneself an unbiased scientist but more emotionally effected by conclusions that people draw. Science and philosophy (reason) should, nay, must be independent of emotion or personal preference or politics otherwise lets go run for government instead of making soap because we do not belong in a factual field.

 

[HoliHealerz]

Step two. I did not make the initial statement here that one STILL HAS TO WAIT after creating HP JUST like in CP when this is FALSE. One can let the soap harden through time but once ph has reached neutral and the gel phase is complete. Then the soap is done. It is SAFE to use because the criteria is the ph. Need vs HAVE TO. As I have stated several times already. This was not ME picking or as you wished to label my defense of facts as 'argumentative' in response to several people falsely claiming that safety refers to weight (they mentioned that one of the tests was to weigh the soap before 'cure' and after as a proof) or hardness or they wouldnt say HAVE TO.
I was also accused of misinterpreting an article when all I did was pull out the words used in the article. If that is misinterpreting then perhaps it says something about the article and not the reader or quoter.
Another point that I have seen here is that CP and HP are hot topics. If this is the case then one cannot call oneself an unbiased scientist but more emotionally effected by conclusions that people draw. Science and philosophy (reason) should, nay, must be independent of emotion or personal preference or politics otherwise lets go run for government instead of making soap because we do not belong in a factual field.

 

[HoliHealerz]

Step three:
Reference was made to 'mushy' soap. This is an assumption without ground.
Another assumption was made that the soap was being sold in fact I didn't even initially say that it was used. It would be better to ask - what was the as you called it 'impatience' for. And I would have gladly answered, to understand the results of the test.

 

[Misschief]

You wrote that you never dye your hair nor use any chemicals. EVERYTHING in life is a chemical. So I don't understand your statement.

Hope

Step one. Are you honestly telling me that you have No idea what someone means when they say that they do not use chemicals on their hair?
Ok then perhaps I should explain what people who leave out the word 'synthetic' mean when they say the word 'chemical'. They mean natural. I hope that this detail is now clear. But it does not solve the bigger issue that you didnt understand.

Ok ladies, take a step back. It's been said before in every forum I've ever been in. You can't read tone into written comments so it's easy to read something into comments that may not be there. Holi, I think Hope Ann was just wanting some insight into your hair care routine. Usually when one talks about not using chemicals in the hair, they're referring to the fact that their hair is uncoloured. What do you mean when you say "natural" hair care?

Step two. I did not make the initial statement here that one STILL HAS TO WAIT after creating HP JUST like in CP when this is FALSE. One can let the soap harden through time but once ph has reached neutral and the gel phase is complete. Then the soap is done. It is SAFE to use because the criteria is the ph. Need vs HAVE TO. As I have stated several times already. This was not ME picking or as you wished to label my defense of facts as 'argumentative' in response to several people falsely claiming that safety refers to weigh (they mentioned that one of the tests was to weight the soap before 'cure' and after as a proof) or hardness or they wouldnt say HAVE TO.

This topic has been discussed many, many times in this forum. There is a difference between saponification and cure. What you're referring to here is saponification. With HP, the soap is saponified by the application of external heat and the process is completed once there's no more zap. CP soap saponifies on its own (with gel or not) and reaches the point of saponification within the first 24-48 hours. At that point, both are safe to use. However, neither is at its best. That's where cure comes in. Cure takes time and happens at a much deeper level in both CP and HP. Incidentally, soap does not have a neutral pH and never will.

 

[HoliHealerz]

Ok ladies, take a step back. It's been said before in every forum I've ever been in. You can't read tone into written comments so it's easy to read something into comments that may not be there. Holi, I think Hope Ann was just wanting some insight into your hair care routine. Usually when one talks about not using chemicals in the hair, they're referring to the fact that their hair is uncoloured. What do you mean when you say "natural" hair care?



This topic has been discussed many, many times in this forum. There is a difference between saponification and cure. What you're referring to here is saponification. With HP, the soap is saponified by the application of external heat and the process is completed once there's no more zap. CP soap saponifies on its own (with gel or not) and reaches the point of saponification within the first 24-48 hours. At that point, both are safe to use. However, neither is at its best. That's where cure comes in. Cure takes time and happens at a much deeper level in both CP and HP. Incidentally, soap does not have a neutral pH and never will.

I think that you have said everything here that I was saying. Thank you.
My job is done.
And yes natural is no synthetics. Finally.

 

[Hope Ann]

Step one. Are you honestly telling me that you have No idea what someone means when they say that they do not use chemicals on their hair?
Ok then perhaps I should explain what people who leave out the word 'synthetic' mean when they say the word 'chemical'. They mean natural. I hope that this detail is now clear. But it does not solve the bigger issue that you didnt understand.

No, I do not know what they mean. Many people don't understand science and truly believe that "natural" products are chemical free. Some use the false term "chemical free" to indicate no synthetic ingredients while others mean it to indicate no synthetic ingredients that are considered harsh or toxic. I'm sure there are other interpretations as well but these are some of the most common ones. Therefore, I asked for clarification of what you meant, as your words were imprecise and did not clearly communicate to me your intention. There really is no reason to be combative when asked for clarification.

As for the rest of your comments, please start your own thread for it. You can ask admin to move them. It's considered rude to go off topic, as it makes it hard for others when they're reading through a thread to get information on the topic in the subject line but then encounter a lot of comments on a different topic that they have to scroll through. When you read through the forum, you'll see this mentioned many times. For example, Zaneys No-Slime Castille thread.

Hope

 

[HoliHealerz]

Ok ladies, take a step back. It's been said before in every forum I've ever been in. You can't read tone into written comments so it's easy to read something into comments that may not be there. Holi, I think Hope Ann was just wanting some insight into your hair care routine. Usually when one talks about not using chemicals in the hair, they're referring to the fact that their hair is uncoloured. What do you mean when you say "natural" hair care?



This topic has been discussed many, many times in this forum. There is a difference between saponification and cure. What you're referring to here is saponification. With HP, the soap is saponified by the application of external heat and the process is completed once there's no more zap. CP soap saponifies on its own (with gel or not) and reaches the point of saponification within the first 24-48 hours. At that point, both are safe to use. However, neither is at its best. That's where cure comes in. Cure takes time and happens at a much deeper level in both CP and HP. Incidentally, soap does not have a neutral pH and never will.

About the ph

No, I do not know what they mean. Many people don't understand science and truly believe that "natural" products are chemical free. Some use the false term "chemical free" to indicate no synthetic ingredients while others mean it to indicate no synthetic ingredients that are considered harsh or toxic. I'm sure there are other interpretations as well but these are some of the most common ones. Therefore, I asked for clarification of what you meant, as your words were imprecise and did not clearly communicate to me your intention. There really is no reason to be combative when asked for clarification.

As for the rest of your comments, please start your own thread for it. You can ask admin to move them. It's considered rude to go off topic, as it makes it hard for others when they're reading through a thread to get information on the topic in the subject line but then encounter a lot of comments on a different topic that they have to scroll through. When you read through the forum, you'll see this mentioned many times. For example, Zaneys No-Slime Castille thread.

Hope

Thank you for this education.