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vjbakke

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I came across a recipe for goat milk soap that has cocoa butter in it, Here are the directions
It's called a cocoa butter bath bar.


"This soap does not need to be blended like a regular soap.  Just combine it all thoroughly and pour into molds immediately, do not wait until trace appears."

Is this how many milk bars are made?
 
Is this how many milk bars are made?

Not in my soap kitchen. 8) I make goat milk soaps alot and have never run into directions such as that. Now, there's certainly more than one way to make goat milk soap to be sure, but those directions just sound so bizarre to me. I wonder why they stress pouring immediately and not waiting for trace? Where did you get the recipe? Is it a recipe for real soap made with lye (CP or HP), or for Melt & Pour-type soap instead?


IrishLass :)
 
If you don't get the soap to trace, it will separate. You would end up with a caustic mess. CP soap needs to come to at least a very thin trace. It doesn't sounds like a good recipe. What is the recipe and directions?
 
I bought a kindle book on soap recipes called Handmade Cold Process Organic Soap Recipes . Country Girl Publishing. Kindle Edition. it was only $2.99. I have never made a milk soap before. I have been watching some videos on it. Any tips, tricks with making milk soaps?
 
I freeze my GM and then crush it up with a hammer then add the lye to the frozen crush,then soap with room temp oils to keep it from heating up,then when in the mould I put it in the frig for 24 hrs, take out, sit for another 2 days and cut.
 
vjbakke said:
I bought a kindle book on soap recipes called Handmade Cold Process Organic Soap Recipes . Country Girl Publishing. Kindle Edition. it was only $2.99. I have never made a milk soap before. I have been watching some videos on it. Any tips, tricks with making milk soaps?

People selling this crap are making a killing and it's easy to find people willing to part with a few dollars. Complain and get a refund at the very least.

Can you give us the complete recipe so that it can be checked please. :wink:
 
Any tips, tricks with making milk soaps?

I make mine via the 'split method', which requires no freezing of the milk beforehand since it won't be mixed directly with the lye (I hate mixing milk and lye together and avoid it like the plague :lol: ).

It is called the 'split method' because what is involved is splitting the liquid amount for the batch in half- into 50% water and 50% goat milk. My lye gets mixed in with the water half, and the goat milk half gets mixed in with the oils. No need to freeze the milk in this method at all- it can be added directly to the oils either refrigerated, at room temp, or even warmed up with the oils. If I want to make a more concentrated goat milk soap than 50%, I just add enough goat milk powder to the liquid goat milk to beef it up to whatever concentration I want it to be.

When all is mixed properly and has been brought to the temperature that my particular formula requires, the lye/water mixture is hand-stirred into the oil/milk mixture and then brought to emulsification with occassional, short, 3 second bursts from my stickblender. At the point of emulsification, I usually add my fragrance and colorants while alternately hand-stirring and stickblending in short bursts until I've reached the proper, stable 'trace' that I like to pour at -usually medium-thick trace for me.

Once that is achieved, I pour into my mold, cover with my mold cover and set in a warm place to gel- usually a pre-warmed oven set to about 120 to 140 degreesF and then turned off once oven temp is reached, or if it's summertime, I just place the covered mold out in my hot garage to gel (some soapers prefer ungelled soaps, but I'm one of those that prefer gelled soaps and so I do whatever is needed to encourage it in all my batches).

Ditto what Soapbuddy and Bubbles Galore said. I'm telling you, it's a mine field out there for new soapers because they don't yet have the experience to discern a good recipe from a bad one (and there are plenty of bad ones out there, trust me). I get really irked at the mountain of misinformation being propagated or regurgitated by the uninformed out there in soapdom. I'm so glad you sought advice from all the wonderful, experienced soapers here first.


IrishLass :)
 
Bubbles Galore said:
vjbakke said:
I bought a kindle book on soap recipes called Handmade Cold Process Organic Soap Recipes . Country Girl Publishing. Kindle Edition. it was only $2.99. I have never made a milk soap before. I have been watching some videos on it. Any tips, tricks with making milk soaps?

People selling this crap are making a killing and it's easy to find people willing to part with a few dollars. Complain and get a refund at the very least.

Can you give us the complete recipe so that it can be checked please. :wink:

Here it is,

6 oz coacoa butter
6 oz palm oil
3 oz castor oil
2 oz lye
4 oz milk
3 oz water

I hope I didn't buy a crap book! The other recipes seem ok.
 
vjbakke, here is a link to a wonderful site full of information for beginners, this is where I started. Also never rely on recipes given on books always put the ingredients and amounts through Soap calc for proper calculation of lye and water for the specific amount of oils (this is very important), using soap calc is a bit overwhelming at first but after you give it a few tries it gets really easy to use, here I give you the link also. I also use the GM method explained here by Irishlass it works like a charm. Best of luck

http://www.millersoap.com/
http://www.soapcalc.net/calc/SoapCalcWP.asp
 
vjbakke said:
6 oz coacoa butter
6 oz palm oil
3 oz castor oil
2 oz lye
4 oz milk
3 oz water

I hope I didn't buy a crap book! The other recipes seem ok.

I just entered the recipe into SoapCalc. Provided that I entered everything in properly (y'all might want to check it in case I screwed up), this is what the recipe looks like when translated into percents:

40% cocoa butter
40% palm oil
20% castor oil
3% superfat
22.2% lye solution

One potential problem I see is the amount of total liquid in this recipe. That's a lot of liquid. It goes even beyond a normal 'full water' amount. Although it doesn't pose a danger or anything like that, too much liquid will cause your soap to be very soft at first so that you will have to wait longer to unmold and cut. It will also cause warping of the finished soap as it cures, not to mention a longer cure time than normal to boot.

The recipe itself, i.e. the fat/oil content, looks okay to me. Some soapers will probably comment on how awfully high an amount of castor there is in the recipe, but I've used higher (23%) with no adverse effects. Since there is an 80% content of very hard fats in there, the 20% of castor should pose no problem. I use 23% castor in a soap with 65% beef tallow and 8% olive oil and it makes a beautiful soap.

The 3% superfat needs a special mention, too. A 3% superfat is on the low side of things as superfats go. Most soapers soap with at least a 5% superfat. The lower you go on the superfat level, the more cleansing/drying the soap is, and the greater the danger is of having a lye-heavy soap. However, having said that, I personally like to use a 3% superfat whenever I'm making a 100% goat milk soap, and only when I'm making a 100% goat milk soap. It's the only time I go that low, although I know of at least one soaper from another forum who likes to use a 3% superfat in all her soap recipes. She must have more oily skin than me. :)

In case you're wondering, my 100% goat milk soaps superfatted at 3% are never lye heavy. They are all tongue-neutral. I like to go that low for my lather's sake, because whenever I use my normal superfat with my 100% goat milk soaps, it cuts down too much on my bubbly lather quotient. I likes me bubbles. 8)

Also, I noticed that the recipe is less than 1 pound in oil weight. That's not a bad thing provided that you have a really good scale that measures accurately down to .01 gram, but if you don't have such a scale (and most soapers don't- they/we for the most part use scales that only measure down to 1 gram), it's best to stick to recipes that are at least 1 lb in oil weight.

If you want a really good book on soapmaking, check out "Scientific Soapmaking" by Kevin Dunn. It's pretty technical, but it's very informative and trustworthy. For something much less technical, 'The Everything Soapmaking Book' by fellow soaper Alicia Grosso is good as well.

Also, as Elly mentioned, Millersoap is an excellent site for beginners (and veterans as well). Another good site is this one by David Fisher:

http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/soapm ... e-Soap.htm

Also- you can't beat all the soaping forums for accurate, up-to-date soaping wisdom. Soak up all you can on the forums and in their archives. They are a treasure trove of soaping wisdom worth more than a whole stack of soaping books, and then some.


IrishLass :)
 
Well that really peeves me. That recipe is terrible, some one has obviously tried to make a buck by publishing a book about something they know very little about.

I have never brought a soap making book. The first and only recipes I have used have been my own, I didn't start making soap until I knew how to use a lye calc, and from there I just experimented and stuffed up a whole lot, until I got a soap or two that I like. I also researched every oil I used, if you search on here it will give you a rough recommendation regarding percentages.

I would start by using a smaller percentage of cocoa butter, adding some coconut oil and olive, and lowering your castor oil amount.
 
That recipe is crap. The author has no idea of what he/she is doing. You're better off just googling soap recipes or making up your own on soapcalc.

I only make GM soaps and besides the freezing before use, there is really no difference in making it. Even then, you don't have to freeze it if you don't care what color it ends up!
 
Thanks for all the help! I think I will be asking amazon for my money back!

Does anyone have a recipe for a goat milk cocoa butter soap?


Thanks so much!
 
Can you make GM soap by hot press method, or will the cooking alter the Gm somehow like turning coloring or seperation????????
And whats the difference or benifits of letting CP soap gel or not gel??

I love this forum, learn learn learn is all I do.
 
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