DOS

[Lin19687]

I've gotten horrible DOS alot of times experimenting with increasing the scent after the cure.. I like to put my soap in a ziploc with a small condiment cup of fragrance oil, if any fragrance oil touches the soap, bam DOS! I've gotten it a few other times, but only after the soap is older than a year.. Once the fragrance oil spilled and the bottom of every soap bar turned into a gianormous DOS. I was so mad!!!

Not sure Why you do this or who told you to. I have no idea if you are a new soaper or not as I do not see an introduction when you 1st came in Oct.
There is no point in doing this, other then in my mind, to deceive the buyer. Anything just on the outside will fade super fast. So you up the scent and then when they get home and wash with it for a day , it fades. Therefore making them a NON-future customer AND someone that tells everyone, not only about your soap but homemade soaps suck in general.

Sorry I know it sounds mean, and to be honest it is. I make no apologies for it. I just see it as a complete rip off to a customer if you sell like this.

Always remember the golden Biz rule.
One (1) Happy customer tells, usually, 1-2 others about their good experience..
One (1) MAD customer will tell 20 others about their bad experience.

This is one reason why serious soapers that sell get mad when we see less-experienced soapers at Markets selling their wares WRONG (wrong legal packaging, wrong medical myths....)

 

[Amy78130]

Not sure Why you do this or who told you to. I have no idea if you are a new soaper or not as I do not see an introduction when you 1st came in Oct.
There is no point in doing this, other then in my mind, to deceive the buyer. Anything just on the outside will fade super fast. So you up the scent and then when they get home and wash with it for a day , it fades. Therefore making them a NON-future customer AND someone that tells everyone, not only about your soap but homemade soaps suck in general.

Sorry I know it sounds mean, and to be honest it is. I make no apologies for it. I just see it as a complete rip off to a customer if you sell like this.

Always remember the golden Biz rule.
One (1) Happy customer tells, usually, 1-2 others about their good experience..
One (1) MAD customer will tell 20 others about their bad experience.

This is one reason why serious soapers that sell get mad when we see less-experienced soapers at Markets selling their wares WRONG (wrong legal packaging, wrong medical myths....)

I actually said "when experimenting with increasing scent". What made you assume that I was selling the soap I was experimenting with? After noticing that some of my soap was losing its scent too fast, I started EXPERIMENTING with different techniques that would help boost the fragrance oil's endurance. Quite a few were fails, some successful but they were all tests to try and discover a fix for my dilemma. In one test batch, the fragrance oil accidentally got knocked over. This is where I noticed the correlation between the fragrance oil and dreaded orange spots. This is all I was commenting on, I wasn't suggesting that anyone bag up their soap with fragrance oil to dupe customers or anything like that.

Also, I wasn't aware that I had to post an introduction when joining this site. If this is a rule that I broke, I sincerely apologize, because I have no problem apologizing if and when I'm wrong. A personal message would have been more appropriate, in my opinion, to help guide me through an error, so I could try and make it right. I am happy to post a belated introduction in the proper segment of this forum, so not to hijack this thread. Have a great day!

 

[Lin19687]

1) I do not think introduction is a hard fast rule, that's not my call. I only mentioned that I don't know how long you have been soaping because I didn't see anything like that from you.

2) You are not going to 'increase scent after the cure', period.

3) You mentioned in the past that you sell therefore since this was your way of 'experimenting' instead of working on the recipe itself is what lead me to that

4)I said "IF YOU SELL LIKE THIS"

 

[Amy78130]

Not sure Why you do this or who told you to. I have no idea if you are a new soaper or not as I do not see an introduction when you 1st came in Oct.
There is no point in doing this, other then in my mind, to deceive the buyer. Anything just on the outside will fade super fast. So you up the scent and then when they get home and wash with it for a day , it fades. Therefore making them a NON-future customer AND someone that tells everyone, not only about your soap but homemade soaps suck in general.

Sorry I know it sounds mean, and to be honest it is. I make no apologies for it. I just see it as a complete rip off to a customer if you sell like this.

Always remember the golden Biz rule.
One (1) Happy customer tells, usually, 1-2 others about their good experience..
One (1) MAD customer will tell 20 others about their bad experience.

This is one reason why serious soapers that sell get mad when we see less-experienced soapers at Markets selling their wares WRONG (wrong legal packaging, wrong medical myths....)

1) I do not think introduction is a hard fast rule, that's not my call. I only mentioned that I don't know how long you have been soaping because I didn't see anything like that from you.

2) You are not going to 'increase scent after the cure', period.

3) You mentioned in the past that you sell therefore since this was your way of 'experimenting' instead of working on the recipe itself is what lead me to that

4)I said "IF YOU SELL LIKE THIS"

I've been making soap for the past 8 years and only started selling soap late 2017. I know that I'm not going to add to the scent post cure, I was simply testing different methods to help extend the fragrance life of my soap. As far as my lack of posts go, I only recently built up enough confidence to start posting. I didn't realize anyone was watching everything that I post.

 

[shunt2011]

@Amy78130 - I can speak to checking others posts. I've seen someone post some bad information or will say they are selling but having problems with recipes or are asking beginner questions. I'll go check out their posts. See what I can glean from them as to a response. Generally I don't care but if something is glaringly wrong. That's where the introduction forum comes in handy. We have an idea where you may be in the journey.

 

[earlene]

In Amy's defense, I did read discussion here once about trying to extend the life of scent in soap and different things were mentioned as things some folks had tried. I don't recall exactly much about the thread(s), but it's not unheard of to try it. I don't recall anything in particular about using actual FO's loosely in a with the soaps, but I do remember reading various methods of storing soap with the aim to lengthen the life of the fragrance in soap.

 

[amd]

I know that I'm not going to add to the scent post cure, I was simply testing different methods to help extend the fragrance life of my soap.

Use the max usage of the FO in your recipe upfront. Some FO's will fade, some quicker than others, some will hold seemingly forever. You'll have learn and find FO's that stick well from the beginning in order to extend the life of a fragrance. It seems like your experiments were indeed an attempt to add scent post cure.

OP, I totally understand the need to "lurk" over your soaps. I may be guilty of that a time or two, especially when making a new FO, I like to keep track of how / if the scent changes. Just make sure you wear gloves or have clean hands when fondling to avoid "contaminating" your soaps and encouraging DOS. (I handled soaps once with pizza fingers... I had DOS the perfect size of my fingers a few months later...)

 

[Lin19687]

@earlene I think the tread you are referring to is about Storing soaps with a small cotton ball with a little bit of FO in a box full of soaps.

As @shunt2011 said. People do go and look at past posts. I did to see if you were NEW and therefore were given wrong info.
Edit to say that I was not looking for more post, just one when you 1st started to post about how long you had been soaping

 

[IrishLass]

Ditto what Earlene said. I highly doubt it is DOS, but something to do with the paprika. The darker color of the spots look very paprika-ish to me as opposed to the normal coloring of DOS.....at least as far as my own experiences with DOS goes.

Also, I wasn't aware that I had to post an introduction when joining this site. If this is a rule that I broke, I sincerely apologize, because I have no problem apologizing if and when I'm wrong. A personal message would have been more appropriate, in my opinion, to help guide me through an error, so I could try and make it right. I am happy to post a belated introduction in the proper segment of this forum, so not to hijack this thread. Have a great day!

Hi Amy- Posting an intro about ones self is absolutely not necessary- there is no rule regarding such. The choice to do so remains in the hands of every member that joins. But like Shari said- it does come in handy to get an idea where one might be along in their soaping journey once someone new or a normally 'silent' member starts posting questions, so that our answers don't assume things and end up talking over (or under) the asker's head.

Ditto what Earlene said (again ) in regard to discussions on extending scent. There have been a few discussions here about extending the life of the scent in one's soaps, and enclosing the soap with some full strength FO is definitely not unheard of. As a matter of fact, I've done it myself with certain FOs that were faders. The method I used was to saturate a cotton ball with the FO and attach it to the underside of the lid of my soap storage box (I use those acid-free cardboard baseball card storage boxes to store each batch of soap). The cotton ball never made contact with soap.... there was probably about an inch or so clearance space between my soap and the cotton ball. Anyway, for what it's worth, my soap never came down with DOS, but I eventually stopped doing it when I noticed it didn't really seem to help extend the scent of my faders all that much.


IrishLass

 

[Lin19687]

I posted this publicly and not privately because I didn't want a New Soaper to think that you could do what you stated to 'up the scent' in a already made soap.
Things like this go viral fast and falsehoods are made by them.

Kind of like how HP soap is ok to use/sell right away......................

 

[IrishLass]

Okay folks, let's stay on topic, please.


IrishLass

 

[linne1gi]

I've had DOS 2 times now. Soaping over 5 years. Never had them develop until past the 6 month mark. DOS just don't happen that quickly. Also, along with the spots, the soap will smell "off", at first just a little and then like nasty crayons.

 

[Amy78130]

I'd like to clear up the intention on my posted response. I wasn't at all suggesting to re-scent cured soap, only that my through my experimentation, I happened upon an almost instant cause of (what appeared to be) dreaded orange spots! After it happened (years ago), I re-tested applying a few dots of fragrance oil on some of my uglier soap bars and within a week, the alleged DOS showed up!! I guess I just wanted to share my horrible experience to show this as one possible cause. I promise I didn't mean to offend anyone, just wanted to share a past experience.

 

[IrishLass]

No worries, Amy. What you intended is exactly how I, for one, took your post.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.


IrishLass