Castille

[Nonnie]

I'm notsure if this is semantics, or legit question.

100% olive oil used to make soap=castille(even tho the big company used shall not name screwed that up)

100% olive oil, but with goat milk, oats, clay, etc=still castille? If it's simply the oil choice that determines the classification, then I would say castille.

Olive, plus other oils= bastille. But are these limited to non animal(no lard or tallow)?

I just want to see what the general idea is.

 

[lsg]

I always thought of Castile soap as made with only olive oil. The definition from Meriam Webster is--
a fine hard bland soap made from olive oil and sodium hydroxide. Today however, many define Castile soap as a mixture of vegetable oils and Olive oil plus sodium hydroxide.

 

[AliOop]

I still prefer to use Castile to refer only to 100% OO soap. But that company-which-shall-not-be-named won the lawsuit and the right to use the term "Castile" for any liquid or bar soap made with plant-based oils. Under that definition, a 100% shea butter soap would be "Castile."

I don't believe the lawsuit addressed additives, but given the ruling, it likely would not matter what additives were included to this version of "Castile" soap. After all, that company adds all kinds of different EOs to their "Castile" soap.

"Bastille" is a term coined by, and generally used only by soapers, to refer to a majority OO soap with other oils, and possibly additives. I don't believe most non-soapers would know what you meant by that term.

 

[Nonnie]

I still prefer to use Castile to refer only to 100% OO soap. But that company-which-shall-not-be-named won the lawsuit and the right to use the term "Castile" for any liquid or bar soap made with plant-based oils. Under that definition, a 100% shea butter soap would be "Castile."

I don't believe the lawsuit addressed additives, but given the ruling, it likely would not matter what additives were included to this version of "Castile" soap. After all, that company adds all kinds of different EOs to their "Castile" soap.

"Bastille" is a term coined by, and generally used only by soapers, to refer to a majority OO soap with other oils, and possibly additives. I don't believe most non-soapers would know what you meant by that term.

Yeah, they definitely muddled the waters quitea bit.

My question of sorts is, does the addition of other things,but still remaining ONLY olive oil, change what it is? I've always understood the idea of "bastille" because of other oils added. The question now becomes, do additives also turn it into "bastille"?

 

[ackosel]

I've been wondering, too. I made some soap with 75% olive oil and 25% goat tallow with 100% water replaced with goat milk. I called it bastille, but maybe it's just "goatstille"?

 

[Nonnie]

I've been wondering, too. I made some soap with 75% olive oil and 25% goat tallow with 100% water replaced with goat milk. I called it bastille, but maybe it's just "goatstille"?

Goatee soap!

I've been wondering, too. I made some soap with 75% olive oil and 25% goat tallow with 100% water replaced with goat milk. I called it bastille, but maybe it's just "goatstille"?

 

[AliOop]

If you switched it to be 75% goat tallow and 25% OO, made with goat milk, that would be a winner in my book!

 

[ackosel]

If you switched it to be 75% goat tallow and 25% OO, made with goat milk, that would be a winner in my book!

I'll try that sometime, after butchering season. Soap calculators say that goat tallow is twice as cleansing/bubbly as beef tallow, so that should make for a decent lathering soap without any coconut oil. The 75%OO soap I made never did get very much lather, though I think it only cured for a couple months.

 

[AliOop]

I'll try that sometime, after butchering season. Soap calculators say that goat tallow is twice as cleansing/bubbly as beef tallow, so that should make for a decent lathering soap without any coconut oil. The 75%OO soap I made never did get very much lather, though I think it only cured for a couple months.

If you try it, let me know!

 

[Chaiat5]

I still prefer to use Castile to refer only to 100% OO soap. But that company-which-shall-not-be-named won the lawsuit and the right to use the term "Castile" for any liquid or bar soap made with plant-based oils. Under that definition, a 100% shea butter soap would be "Castile."

I don't believe the lawsuit addressed additives, but given the ruling, it likely would not matter what additives were included to this version of "Castile" soap. After all, that company adds all kinds of different EOs to their "Castile" soap.

"Bastille" is a term coined by, and generally used only by soapers, to refer to a majority OO soap with other oils, and possibly additives. I don't believe most non-soapers would know what you meant by that term.

I'm not sure if the company you're alluding to is the same one I found while researching Castile soap. It confused me because it contained so many different oils. I'd always thought Castile was 100% olive (even before learning how to make soap!). I do remember reading their labels (online... we don't get that brand here or in Singapore) and found it a bit manic — it quoted a poem by Rudyard Kipling (but not 100% true to the text, I think), advice and something about God's spaceship.

 

[Chaiat5]

Oh... so this is a local company here in Pakistan. While they do acknowledge the origins of "Castile Soap", they have taken a looser definition too: "Chiltanpure Castile Liquid Soap, originally named after the olive-oil based soaps from Castile-Spain. Chiltanpure Castile liquid soap is made from olive oil and a variety of other oils, all of which are plant or vegetable-derived. (Coconut, hemp, almond and walnut oil are present in Chiltanpure Castile liquid soap)."

I guess this alternate definition is more common than I had thought.