@KiwiMoose , months ago I started a thread back when I was a noob and didn't even know what to call the problem I learned was 'glycerin rivers.' I learned so much from folks here. Now when I use TD, my lye to (lye + water) ratio is 31.5% and I use the bare minimum of TD. I still gel but have not gotten glycerin rivers ever since, (even tho' @Misschief likes them).LOL - you soap like I cook - "that'll be about right". I note no glycerin rivers though? Every time I've used TD I get glycerin rivers.