Want to stop using palm oil, how to finish what I have left?

[AF_SOAP]

you could use the palm oil in a laundry soap. i would not do 100% palm oil laundry soap due to the fact it might be more creamy then cleansing but you could grab some coconut oil and do a 50/50 with a lye heavy solution of about -3%.

I make laundry soap from palm, coconut and tallow. I am sure the tallow could be eliminated. Some DIY soap flake makes use palm and coconut together and in most commercial laundry soaps(zote, fels-naptha) they are the two main ingredients besides tallow.

 

[Patrick]

I buy my Palm oil from Target, it comes in a tub, I never mix it or melt it all before I use it....I don't use much, buy I like to use a wide variety of oils. Palm Palm K. Coconut, soy, Crisco, Lard (or Tallow) Olive

 

[grayceworks]

Olive oil can make a more creamy soap rather than white, especially if your olive oil is darker colored. I haven't noticed that so much with palm... I have made some very white soaps that have palm in them, as well as very white ones with shea butter, but that depends on the darkness of the unrefined shea...

Coconut oil, as DeeAnna mentioned, is very water-soluble and will dissolve fast. It will NOT make a long-lasting bar in such high percentages. For your recipe you posted, your long-lasting number is only 15! AND your cleansing number is 50!!! Which will be super-drying unless you do increase your SF that much, which still gives a very fast dissolving bar.

I LOVE unrefined shea in soaps. I love that the scent comes through, especially if I pair it with a sweet floral, it just smells soo good. Yes, high amounts give less of the big bubbles. Especially when not fully mature. Let it cure a good 4 months or longer, and you'll get a lovely creamy bubbly lather (not big fluffy bubbles, but not tiny like shaving soap either). It will not be slimy like with OO though, so that should work for you... I make one with 35% shea and 20% mango, and several soft oils. Wonderful, hard, long-lasting bars. (a 35 on DeeAnna's long-lasting scale)

Mango, that's a pretty good substitute for palm, if you're not wanting to use lard. I've been happy with every soap I've ever used it in... Both Shea and Mango are more expensive than palm or lard though... I think that will be a downside to any of the the oils that have been mentioned.

If you don't mind the extra expense of using large amounts of shea or mango, and want a hard bar, that will be white and long lasting, and not slimy like OO, maybe try something like the following:

(whoops, wasn't finished typing and hit post... please wait while I finish... lol)
Ok, done. lol

(edited recipe due to typo)
Shea Butter 35%
Mango Seed Butter 20%
Coconut Oil, 76 deg 20%
Apricot Kernel Oil 10%
Castor Oil 8%
Cocoa Butter 7%



Quality......................Range.............Your Recipe
Hardness...................29 - 54.............46
Cleansing...................12 - 22............13
Conditioning...............44 - 69.............50
Bubbly......................14 - 46.............21
Creamy.....................16 - 48.............40
Iodine.......................41 - 70.............51
INS.........................136 - 165...........159

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Lauric....................10
Myristic..................4
Palmitic..................8
Stearic..................25
Ricinoleic................7
Oleic.....................37
Linoleic..................6
Linolenic................0
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I have one very similar to this, which I love. Just that the amount of shea and mango bring the cost up a bit... they average about twice the cost of palm, depending on your supplier...

 

[aab1]

If you don't mind the extra expense of using large amounts of shea or mango, and want a hard bar, that will be white and long lasting, and not slimy like OO, maybe try something like the following:

(whoops, wasn't finished typing and hit post... please wait while I finish... lol)

The suspense is killing me lol, I'm so anxious to see your recommendation.

 

[grayceworks]

LOL - check now.

I don't know how many will agree with it, and YOU may not agree with it, but it does work, it's just expensive.

There's always other ways to eliminate palm, but so far, either lard or a mango/shea combo are my favorites. Of course I don't sell, and if I was, I probably wouldn't be selling this except as maybe a specialty ultra-conditioning soap...

 

[aab1]

Wow I wasn't expecting 50% shea and mango butter but I will definitely try this recipe for sure, sounds very intriguing and very different to soaps I've made before. I'll be placing an order for the ingredients I don't have (apricot kernel oil and mango butter in a few days). I have made a soap with mango butter last year when I bought a small amount to try it but I'm anxious to try your recipe. After I make it as is I'll play around with the amounts and may add/remove/replace one or more oils to come up with my own recipe.

Thanks a lot for this recipe, I can't wait to try it.

 

[grayceworks]

That's me! Ms. Unexpected! lol. I have a habit of experimenting a LOT. I have a lot of so-so stuff sitting in my closet due to that. But I've also come up with some really nice stuff too. Some of it is strictly for me and my family, due to cost, but some of it will be going into my list of stuff I plan to start selling next year, so my curiosity has paid off in that regard, as I have some recipes that I'm pretty sure aren't very similar to most of what's out there.

Oh, wait. Before you try that, let me fix something. I typo'd in soapcalc. It's still ok, but I typo'd 25% CO instead of the 20% that was in my recipe book -- quick fix. Wondered why I had to fiddle with it to get 100% LOL. I just went into my NAS and pulled up my saved recipe. It's a bit cheaper too, with less mango and more shea.

FIXED.

 

[aab1]

Thanks, by the way what superfat % do you recommend for this recipe?

 

[grayceworks]

Thanks, by the way what superfat % do you recommend for this recipe?

I used 7%. I think it would be fine at 5%.

 

[Shalisk]

If that is the only problem, can you melt it once and split it up in to smaller containers, each containing a certain amount? Use one per batch, or multiples for larger batches. Might be a tad easier than cutting out palm completely, but also avoiding the streaky result.

I do this. 1lb and 1/2lb tupperware, with a 'leftover' tupperware for when I need more or less. There are a LOT of oils you have to melt to use.....

 

[aab1]

I do this. 1lb and 1/2lb tupperware, with a 'leftover' tupperware for when I need more or less. There are a LOT of oils you have to melt to use.....

That's a good idea.

Do you mean a lot of other oils need to be all melted and stirred or just melted? For example I weigh my coconut, shea and cocoa in solid form by cutting chunks out of the bucket and then melt the chunks in a pot.

 

[grayceworks]

Palm is the worst, as far as needing melted and stirred. The stearic tends to drift to the bottom when it gets melty, and then you have varying amounts of stearic in your batches of soap, if you haven't either melted and stirred each time, or at least done what was mentioned as far as melting it all down, stirring it up good, then separating it into small portions in containers or baggies so that it's all the same in each portion, and you're not having to mix the whole huge container each time.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

I am so thankful that I buy a cooking fat that is 80% palm and 20% Rapeseed. I cut off what I need from the 1kg block and use that - so far, no streaks.

 

[Shalisk]

Interesting, I have a 28lb bucket of coconut, and palm both, are you saying I should melt ALL of it, mix it up crazy, and then pour it into various containers? I was simply taking out about 4 pounds at a time, melting, pouring and letting it re-harden, should I have been doing this diffrent? Time for me to learn somthing new too

 

[Shalisk]

That's a good idea.

Do you mean a lot of other oils need to be all melted and stirred or just melted? For example I weigh my coconut, shea and cocoa in solid form by cutting chunks out of the bucket and then melt the chunks in a pot.

There are many oils that are solid and you need to melt to get a portion of it (Coconut, babasou come to mind) so if the melting it is somthing you dont enjoy there are those ones to think about too

I portion my palm the same as you...maybe im doing it wrong o.o

 

[aab1]

There are many oils that are solid and you need to melt to get a portion of it (Coconut, babasou come to mind) so if the melting it is somthing you dont enjoy there are those ones to think about too

I portion my palm the same as you...maybe im doing it wrong o.o

I have my hard oils like coconut and shea in large pails so I don't need to melt them to measure, I use an icing spatula to break chunks off and I weight the hard chunks. I then melt all my different oil chunks in one large pan, so I don't have to melt each oil individually.

What I don't like about palm is having to melt the entire content and stir it each time.

 

[aab1]

I tried that soap ball I posted on page 2 today after about 2 days of curing as I was too curious to try it and for it being so uncured I like it, but the ball shape is rather inconvenient to use lol. I can't wait to try the other ones after at least a 4 week cure.

 

[Shalisk]

I have my hard oils like coconut and shea in large pails so I don't need to melt them to measure, I use an icing spatula to break chunks off and I weight the hard chunks. I then melt all my different oil chunks in one large pan, so I don't have to melt each oil individually.

What I don't like about palm is having to melt the entire content and stir it each time.

Well thats what I ment, should I be melting my whole big pail of palm each time or can I chunk it out like I have been?

 

[Obsidian]

When I make big soap bals like that, I cut them in half, much easier to use that way.

 

[aab1]

When I make big soap bals like that, I cut them in half, much easier to use that way.

What kind of recipes do you use that thicken enough that you can shape the soap into balls, or do you have a ball shaped mold or make them some other way?

Thanks