Too much olive oil?

[Nite Hawk]

Was checking out a possible olive oil based soap but have read that it may be too high in olive oil.
What do you think?
Olive oil 12.9 oz---59.03 %
Palm kernel flakes- 4.75 oz--21.73 %
coco oil --2.4oz--10.98%
Castor oil-1.8 oz--8.237 %


hardness--38
Cleansing 22
conditioning-58
bubbly 29
creamy 24

7% superfatted
lye- 3.027

thanks for input..

 

[robtr31]

you can use 100% olive oil , only think I would change the cleansing, but that's me.

 

[chicklet]

It just depends on what properties you're looking for in your soap. That much olive oil means it probably will take a while to trace and it will probably need a longer cure for it to be its best. I've never used palm kernel flakes, but it looks like a good recipe to me.

 

[Nite Hawk]

Robtr31
Do you think it is too cleansing?
Our "crew" gets dirty so I am looking for a decent cleansing, yet also a reasonable conditioning due to the frequent washing we do, and also because we live in an area where it gets pretty cold and quite dry during the winter, which often equals pretty chapped skin....

 

[robtr31]

22 is on the high end of cleansing , sometimes making more drying thats all , it's different for most people , I would try a small batch and see how it is , if I go over 15 or so it becomes more drying but you could always up the superfat ?

 

[dagmar88]

Do you mind using palm, lard or tallow? If not, I would pick either PKO or CO (they are so much alike) keep it at around 20% and add some of the oils/butters from above.
It would make it a less harsh and creamier.
Shea butter could be nice too, but it's a bit more expensive.

:mrgreen: You can never use too much olive oil.

 

[kazmi]

That high of palm kernal flakes will make a very hard bar even with that high of OO. I just made a batch with
60% OO
20% CO
10% Palm kernal flakes
5% castor
5% AO
SF at 8%. Soap came out of the mold in less than 24 hrs and is a very white, hard soap. Haven't used it yet since it's still curing though.

 

[Sapwn]

In my country most of the soaps made are near to 100% olive oil.

For me, the less OO there is, the better the soap will be. But this is only my personal opinion. Many people disagree.

 

[Nite Hawk]

For the fun of it I switched the amounts of coco oil and PKO around.
coco -4.75 and PKO -2.4 on soap calc instead of the other way around, and the results were very similar except the hardness was 37 instead of 38, the conditioning was 59 instead of 58, and I think it was the creamy was 23 instead of 24.
The lye was very slightly higher too with the higher coco oil.
which do you guys /gals think would be the best results?( I heard too much coco caused drying...)
what do you think-- higher PKO or higher coco is better??

 

[robtr31]

For the fun of it I switched the amounts of coco oil and PKO around.
coco -4.75 and PKO -2.4 on soap calc instead of the other way around, and the results were very similar except the hardness was 37 instead of 38, the conditioning was 59 instead of 58, and I think it was the creamy was 23 instead of 24.
The lye was very slightly higher too with the higher coco oil.
which do you guys /gals think would be the best results?( I heard too much coco caused drying...)
what do you think-- higher PKO or higher coco is better??

i'm no expert but if I was doing what you want I would make a batch and find out for my self...

 

[dagmar88]

what do you think-- higher PKO or higher coco is better??

Doesn't make a noticeable difference.

 

[mhaurice]

palm oil

i think palm oil is the best for making soap have you try it before?

 

[Nite Hawk]

Another question, can you get too much conditioning, and what numbers would you recommend for dry sensitive skin?
Just learning, so i admit am full of questions!--thanks!

 

[julieanne]

In my experience, Nite Hawk, units that vary by 1-3 show no variance in the finished bar. They are virutally the same. That being said, which is cheaper to make? That's the route I'd take. Have fun experimenting.
Julie

 

[Nite Hawk]

Is #58-59 to much conditioning?

 

[hlee]

Is #58-59 to much conditioning?

Not for me. If hand washing a lot it would probably be pretty nice.

 

[bodhi]

my two cents: 1. you can never have too much olive oil, and 2. you can ask a million questions about your recipe numbers and you will never really get an answer until you make them and try them yourself.

Dont worry about it too much, just make some and try it. You may be very pleasantly surprised at what you like and dont, despite the numbers - and the numbers will make more sense after youve tried a few varitions.

Oh, and if you like orangutans, stick with the coco instead of palm.

 

[dagmar88]

Another question, can you get too much conditioning, and what numbers would you recommend for dry sensitive skin?
Just learning, so i admit am full of questions!--thanks!

No. Castille is probably the most conditioning you can get.
It's all about balance. Most conditioning oils give soft soap and lack in lather.

 

[pamielynn]

I agree, you have to make it and try it. You can have the best recipe on paper and then find out you don't like that combination of oils. Make a small batch, let it fully cure and see what you see. You may love it.

 

[Nite Hawk]

Anyways I did try the recipe with the high olive oil, but I did a bit of a twist I made it with a "coffee" twist to it. I guess when I try something I jump in with both feet! Everything looks fine so far, looks like it is basically hard etc. however in my haste when I made the coffee I forgot to use distilled water. We have fantastic water ( well water) and is fairly soft and mineral free except in winter we get a bit of calcium. Our well tester said we should bottle it, it is so good.
Question, -my boo-boo of forgetting distilled water, will it mess up the results??
thanks to all the advice..