LOL I have been following that thread and OMG 26.00 I find a little crazy. But having said that I will never say never cause then I might have to eat my words.
Syndet shampoo bar recipe help needed
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LOL I have been following that thread and OMG 26.00 I find a little crazy. But having said that I will never say never cause then I might have to eat my words.
I'm about to make my new recipe today with the foaming apple that arrived from the USA! Exciting stuff. https://lotioncrafter.com/products/...z2mpFy6W1zV3O2uDvrwB3bJxsuwiJ8_nRisfQG6B_oSrw
Dahila
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Altz Amphosol is Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Most people call it cocobetaine, however it is not right name. Coco betaine is a bit different 
New 'poo bars!
atiz
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Oh that's right, I forgot (about Amphosol). Yeah, I do know that cocamidopropyl betaine is not quite the same as coco betaine, but people don't seem to use the full name usually (even my bottle says coco betaine and only in the INCI the full name). SO obviously -- disregard my previous about using coco betaine.Altz Amphosol is Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Most people call it cocobetaine, however it is not right name. Coco betaine is a bit different
KM, those look quite nice! did you use a colorant for them? That foaming apple surfactant looks promising, let us know how it works!
Very nice!!
AMAZING!
Hi atiz by more chemically i meant that i had a metal taste in my mouth after using my first bar. Not good and i must have done something really wrong to get that.
I switch from using at least three foamings: apple, silk, oats. I've liked them all.
Your syndet bar is very pretty!
I'm not sure if this is the best place to insert this link, but I think it could be helpful for formulating shampoo/syndet recipes. It tells about different hair types and proteins to use for them: Protein 101 - Lots of Basic Information About Using Protein in Hair Products
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Nice page. That explains why rye flour as shampoo works so well! Thanks for sharing.
Carolyne Thrasher
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Wow! those look amazing. Let me know how you like your foaming apple. I got mine too and am waiting for a trial bar to harden up before I use it. I tried 20% foaming apple and it's soft after 24 hours so I guess I'll have to go back to 10% liquid surfactant and add some slsa. I used part SCI Powder and part sci noodles. The noodles are really a lot less expensive than the powder and I'm trying to bring the cost per bar down a bit.
I'm surprised at how hard mine are, but bear in mind that the Varisoft and cetyl alcohol I use are very hard, waxy substances ( a total of 18% of these) which set up again after melting. I used the foaming apple at 10%.
My 'noodles' are short and fat - not like those nice long ones I see you all using over there - so I'm cautious about using too many. I add about 1/4 of my SCI as noodles and the rest as powder.
Carolyne Thrasher
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I should get some varisoft. The one I see for sale is varisoft eq 65. Is that what you are using. I’m only using 5% cetyl alcohol and 3% btms and 3% kokum. When I used only sci powder melted down I ended up with a pretty hard bar but only using 10% of a liquid surfactant.
justjacqui
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@Gaisy59 In your ingredient list you listed SLSA twice. Was the second entry for 3 grams supposed to be sodium lactate? I read somewhere (sorry can't remember where) that sodium lactate made shampoo bars soft even though it is a bar hardener for soaps. Just a thought.
Yes that's the one. I use it instead of BTMS.
My bad...I didn't notice. It should be BTMS-50 and I changed the cetyl alcohol to cetearyl alcohol. No sodium lactate at all. However, that recipe did not do well for me at all. Bad reaction.
@KiwiMoose - I often use foaming silk in my shampoo bars instead of Cocamidopropyl Betaine. My sister is allergic to that stuff! (However, I am not!) It seems to work wonderfully well for me! Does it smell 'appley'? lol
I actually use 24% liquid surfactant in my syndet bars and they do not get mushy, but only 1% silk protein.
Lol i totally get it. I too have been watching both threads. I will keep up with your thread.
Mellicious
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I have a basic recipe that makes really hard bars. I have really curly hair too and it works for me. Maybe you can tweak it because the ingredients are a little different. Please note that my SCI and SLSa are both in powder form - so id you’re using noodles you
Phase A (Surfactant phase)
40% SCI
30% SLSa (not SLS)
1% Agar Agar
Phase B (Melting phase)
4% BTMS or other conditioning emulsifier
5% Cetyl Alcohol
4.5% Argan oil
Phase C (co-surfactant phase)
7% Cocamidopropyl Betaine (you could use a different liquid surfactant here but would have to make sure that you adjust the pH if needed)
Phase D (Cool down phase)
4.5% distilled water ( I use rose water)
0.5% Glycerin
1% Panthenol
1% Essential oil or fragrance oil
1% Hydrolyzed Protein of choice ( I use wheat protein)
0.5 % Preservative (Broad spectrum)
Phase E: pH adjusting if needed
* the recipe as it is doesn’t need adjusting because the pH is 5 but always double check, especially if you tweak
It makes a rather sticky dough - so I use cling wrap in my mooncake press so they don’t stick. They end up hard and really great!
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