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Twilitr

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I have a bar of Bastille i made over 6months ago and its hard for the most part when dry but when it gets wet its to slimy and pliable. i dont have the recipe infront of me but it was somewhere along the lines of 75/20/5% OO/CO/Castor. it just melts so bad when its wet, i put in in a little drainer i made with netting and some stacked skewers. i waited at least 5 months for it to cure/harden. any pointers? thanks everyone
 
Bastille or Castille ?
Anyway, I made a few with both 10% and 5 % castor ( reduced to 5 % because it was tracing too fast), and they were perfect, so I don´think the castor is the problem.
Good luck :wink:
 
OK, I always thought the name derived from the Spanish province of "Castela" where they have beem making olive soap for centuries, but if it is Bastille, I suppose it was named after the fortress and prision in Paris wich played a significant role in the french revolution.
 
JP4 said:
OK, I always thought the name derived from the Spanish province of "Castela" where they have beem making olive soap for centuries, but if it is Bastille, I suppose it was named after the fortress and prision in Paris wich played a significant role in the french revolution.

JP4 -

Its a name game. Castile is 100% Olive Oil soap, in the tradition of Castilla in Spain. Bastille is a high-percentage Olive blend (e.g., Olive-Coconut); the name is from common usage. There is no time-honored recipe that originated in the dirty french prison :wink:
 
and here i though that castille was 100% OO, and high percentage olive oil with small percentage of anything else was marseille.
 
Hmmmm...I have a Bastile of 90% OO and 10% Castor, and all it smells like is clean. What exactly does the problem soap smell like? Also, mine is rock hard and never gets piable. Suppose some measurement was off? Aren't these kinds of things perplexing?!?
 
the smell is fine. my scent is fading (have to figure that one out) but for the most part it has the consistency of clay. (think pottery class) i have to be careful when i take it to my loofy or else it clumps up easy.

Any pointers on scent? they usually start fading around the 3/4 month mark, im using scents from WSP at the measurement ration of 1oz:1lb, i make 28oz batches (WSP green mold) so i use 1.75oz of FO, i have noticed that when i use the exact same amount of EO's the scent still holds strong after 6 months.....HEEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPP
 
Yes, Castile is traditionally made with 100% olive oil.

There is a soap made in France called 'Savon de Marseilles', and from all I've read about it, it is traditionally made from 72% olive oil, copra (coconut) oil and palm oil (at least according to the sources I've researched so far).

'Bastille' (or 'bastardized Castile) is not actually an 'official' name for a soap, but it's an unofficial, tongue-in-cheek name that was made up by a fellow soaper on one of the forums, and it was jokingly given to mean any olive oil soap that contains less than 100% olive oil (a true Castile), but not less than 50% olive oil. Other soapers call such soaps Castile-types or something else to avoid thier soaps being confused with the infamous French prison. "Ewww! I'm bathing with prison soap?!" :lol:

Twilitr (Hello! :) )- the reason your Castile-type soap acts the way it does is because that's the nature of olive oil. Olive oil is very high in oleic acid, and oleic acid is very unique in it's behavior in soap. It has the peculiar habit of forming a thin layer of a colloidal suspension (read melty, soft, slimy goo) on the surface of soaps made with a high % of it when they get wet. Don't worry, though, what you are experiencing is not out of the norm, and there is nothing wrong with your soap whatsoever- it's just the nature of the beast (oleic acid). You'll notice that as soon as your soap dries out it'll be good and hard again.

I personally don't mind the colloidal suspension (because I know what it is and embrace it for how mild and soothing it is), but I know of others that find it to be somewhat of an aquired taste (read icky :wink: ). I make a great Castile-type for such people that's mild, but stays hard and doesn't goop up when wet. It has 50% olive oil in it along with other oils and butters. It only needs to cure 4 weeks before being good to go. On the other hand, I let my 100% olive oil Castiles cure for a year before using. The 100 percenters are hard as rocks by then and longer lasting, but they still form a colloidal suspension when wet (it feels and looks like a thin layer of clear, raw egg whites on the surface of my soap). But the soap hardens back up when dry, and like I said, there's nothing wrong with the soap- it's just the nature of oleic acid beast.

If it bothers you too much, you can help to cut down on the quantity of the oliec colloid formation by cutting down on the olive oil %, or adding clay, or using a higher lye solution %, etc... You'll just have to play around a bit and experiment.

IrishLass :)
 
And here I thought how admirable it was that the poor, hungry, downtrodden prisoners decided to better their circumstances by saving their scraps of fat from the little food they were given, leeching lye from the pitiful amount of wood ashes they could accumulate (since they are not given much of a wood ration to stay warm) sacrificing their food bowls to mix soap in--all to be clean! A benefit so many of us take for granted, but they worked and saved and sacrificed to escape the dehumanizing effect dirt has on the body and soul.

Later, upon their release (when their innocence of the heinous crimes with which they were charged was proven), these brave and resilient prisoners shared their formulations and techniques with others, forming the great tradition of Bastille Soap.
 
ToniD said:
And here I thought how admirable it was that the poor, hungry, downtrodden prisoners decided to better their circumstances by saving their scraps of fat from the little food they were given, leeching lye from the pitiful amount of wood ashes they could accumulate (since they are not given much of a wood ration to stay warm) sacrificing their food bowls to mix soap in--all to be clean! A benefit so many of us take for granted, but they worked and saved and sacrificed to escape the dehumanizing effect dirt has on the body and soul.

Later, upon their release (when their innocence of the heinous crimes with which they were charged was proven), these brave and resilient prisoners shared their formulations and techniques with others, forming the great tradition of Bastille Soap.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

IrishLass
 
OMG-- I have to use that in my booth...
People are always asking about whether or not my olive is true Castille... Nope- it's Bastille. And, I LOVE your history of it... :D :lol:
 
Best Natural Soap said:
OMG-- I have to use that in my booth...
People are always asking about whether or not my olive is true Castille... Nope- it's Bastille. And, I LOVE you history of it... :D :lol:

Wow, Never thought I'd make history :wink: That was easier than I thought making history would be. Unless you were referring to Irish Lass, who related history, along with other information, so clearly. In which case I usurped history.

Well you would have to finish the story with something like:

...And now I make and sell this soap, not only because it is exceptional soap, but as a tribute to those that developed it, and as a message and reminder to all who use it of the strength, resilience and creativity of the human spirit.


:roll: : :lol: :wink:
 
....and of the the stink-killing strength and resilience of the now infamous, unassuming soap, known simply as... Bastille.

and the Oscar goes to..... ToniD!

I love this forum.

:)
 

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