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[jmixon]

I'm making a vanilla soap and my scent colors the bar but I love the scent. I'm using coconut/olive/castor and I'm trying to get a white bar, amazingly white, colored naturally. I don't know if TD is considered a 'natural' colorant? What is my next option for a real nice white bar?

 

[carebear]

for a vanilla scented soap, there simply is no way to get a brilliant white bar.
TD isn't going to overcome the vanilla, even if it were/is "natural"

 

[jmixon]

there's NO way to get a white vanilla soap? Brambleberry sells a scent they claim doesn't discolor?

 

[Sunny]

okay then, buy that! hehe! most vanillas (and fo's with vanilla in them) discolor, and no, there is no way to stop it!

 

[jmixon]

And there's no natural or hell even synthetic way to turn it back white?

 

[Fragola]

Haven't tried, but wondering about something: isn't it possible to do a vanilla swirl ?

Probably certain colors go well with vanilla, let me throw here a purple or black with white swirl ?

 

[Soapy Gurl]

I have seen that non-discoloring vanilla BB has. I was curious about it. Not that I mind the vanilla color, but what did they do to it?

 

[Sunny]

And there's no natural or hell even synthetic way to turn it back white?

you're the fight club guy, aren't you? you don't believe a word we say for some reason, LOL.

 

[Moonblossom]

Are you sure its not for M&P? I have BB vanilla and it discolors ALL my CP soaps brown.

 

[Hazel]

Sweetcakes has Vanilla Fruity which doesn't discolor. I used it 2 weeks ago and it hasn't discolored. It's a lighter, sweeter vanilla scent. My bars are cream colored but that's from the oils I used.

 

[khermsen]

for a vanilla scented soap, there simply is no way to get a brilliant white bar.
TD isn't going to overcome the vanilla, even if it were/is "natural"

Carebear is right on.......I tried the non-discoloring vanilla and TD combo....didn't get any where near even an off white. I did try the same combo for a swirl bar though, the cream color (non-discoloring vanilla/TD) with pink and blue swirls turned out quite lovely.

 

[jmixon]

And there's no natural or hell even synthetic way to turn it back white?

you're the fight club guy, aren't you? you don't believe a word we say for some reason, LOL.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware this forum was a collective 'we.' I thought there were more than one or two people whose opinions and knowledge I'd like to have.

And I don't recall disagreeing with you once in the other thread. I simply asked questions.

 

[Sunny]

And there's no natural or hell even synthetic way to turn it back white?

you're the fight club guy, aren't you? you don't believe a word we say for some reason, LOL.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware this forum was a collective 'we.' I thought there were more than one or two people whose opinions and knowledge I'd like to have.

And I don't recall disagreeing with you once in the other thread. I simply asked questions.

okay, just me then! LOL - don't take it the wrong way. i don't mean to offend. your tone is just... "are you sure? are you SURE about that?"

but no, most vanillas (every one I've tried actually) can't be white. (in fact some go so dark, they look like a chocolate bar.) a lot of fragrances that aren't vanilla, but have a vanilla element to them - can't be white. most places will tell you the % of vanilla in them so you can guess how brown they'll turn.

when you think about it, a vanilla bean is brown. so why not just let it be brown. but then when your tropical or cotton candy soap turns brown, that doesn't really work.

 

[dieSpinne]

but then when your tropical or cotton candy soap turns brown, that doesn't really work.

Or Eggnog.
Or Vanilla Ice-cream.
Or any of a plethora of "flavors" that may have vanilla but aren't "supposed" to be brown.

BTW, BrambleBerry makes a vanilla stabilizer that keeps vanilla fragrances from turning bown in MP soap... but it only delays the color change in CP for a few months.

At this point, I have accepted that Vanilla turns everything brown and if I want a "WHITE WHITE" soap with a vanilla fragrance, I am either going to have to use MP base OR I am going to have to use white white roving and make appropriately colored felted soap. The lathers, at least, are still white.

 

[PrairieCraft]

I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here with...the non-discoloring vanilla's smell like play-doh. If you want some white in your vanilla then leave a portion of it un-fragranced and do a swirl. It's either brown vanilla or no vanilla at all.

 

[ericllucas]

When it comes to using Vanilla - can you use vanilla extract you buy at the grocery store? I know there is fake vanilla flavoring, I'm not talking about that. I'm taking about real vanilla extract.

If not, can I make vanilla extract (vodka, vanilla beans) and use that?

Thanks as always!

 

[jmixon]

When it comes to using Vanilla - can you use vanilla extract you buy at the grocery store? I know there is fake vanilla flavoring, I'm not talking about that. I'm taking about real vanilla extract.

If not, can I make vanilla extract (vodka, vanilla beans) and use that?

Thanks as always!

Tried it. It sucked.

To the rest of you, thanks. I guess I'll just have to have a brownish vanilla soap.

 

[ToniD]

When it comes to using Vanilla - can you use vanilla extract you buy at the grocery store? I know there is fake vanilla flavoring, I'm not talking about that. I'm taking about real vanilla extract.

If not, can I make vanilla extract (vodka, vanilla beans) and use that?

Thanks as always!

The scent does not come through when you do this, or very very faintly.

 

[Soapy Gurl]

Thanks for info on the non-discoloring, it seemed a little fishy. I made a hazelnut vanilla bean soap, smells delicious, it went sooo dark, like dark chocolate! Amazing how dark it can turn. But I think it is pretty. Next time I will hold some batter out and swirl some un-fragranced soap base in....

 

[Dragonkaz]

I think dark soap is fabulous and is a true indicator of the difference between using vanilla and nasty chemicals to whitening with vanilla.

I've found using a lustre mica or a sparkling mica gives a lovely finish to swirls in vanilla flavoured soaps.