Palm olein oil

[Heidigouws]

Can one use Pure Palm Olein Oil for soap bars and liquid soaps? And if I have a recipe that calls for olive oil, can I substitute its measurements directly the same?

 

[earlene]

Palmolein oil is in the lye calculators Soapcalc and in Soapee (and probably others as well), and has a different SAP value than OO, so no, you would not subsitute it one-one for Olive and have the recipe remain the same.

Always run your recipe through a lye calculator (Soapcalc, Soapee, MMS, or whatever one you use in your part of the world) especially the first time you use it and most importantly, whenever you make changes to a recipe.

 

[Saponificarian]

Hello Heidi. Palm Olein is most similar to Palm oil. I use it in place of palm oil in my recipe because it is readily available here and I have not been able to tell the difference between the recipe that has one or the other.

 

[DeeAnna]

Tallow, lard, palm and other fats can be separated fairly easily into "stearin" and "olein" by cooling the liquid fat slowly until some it solidifies. The solid parts -- the stearin -- are filtered out of the liquid parts -- the olein.

Palm olein (or palmolein) will contain more oleic and linoleic acids. Palm stearin is higher in palmitic and stearic acids. So palm olein and palm stearin aren't quite the same as palm oil, but they are all close. I can see why Saponificarian uses palm and palm olein interchangeably.

Earlene and Saponificarian have good advice on how to use the olein in soap.

 

[MissE]

Hello Heidi. Palm Olein is most similar to Palm oil. I use it in place of palm oil in my recipe because it is readily available here and I have not been able to tell the difference between the recipe that has one or the other.

Hello Saponificarian, I've just fresh run out of palm oil from a botched batch but I have some palmolein on hand. I need to rework my recipe but I'm curious about palmolein causing DOS. In your experience, can I use it without worrying about DOS for up to six months?

 

[Saponificarian]

Hello MissE. I have bars that are 10months old without any DOS and I am in a country with crazy humidity and hot weather. In fact, I don’t plan on buying anymore Palm oli once I finish this current jug. I have found out I much prefer palm Olein. I can use it in high percentage and still get a very very hard Bar without the waxy feeling Palm oil gives. It makes a much smoother Bar that is a tad more conditioning than Palm and it is local to me. If you want a more even lush Bar use it 50/50 with Shea. Am sure you can tell I like Palm Olein.... :mrgreen:

 

[MissE]

Hello MissE. I have bars that are 10months old without any DOS and I am in a country with crazy humidity and hot weather. In fact, I don’t plan on buying anymore Palm oli once I finish this current jug. I have found out I much prefer palm Olein. I can use it in high percentage and still get a very very hard Bar without the waxy feeling Palm oil gives. It makes a much smoother Bar that is a tad more conditioning than Palm and it is local to me. If you want a more even lush Bar use it 50/50 with Shea. Am sure you can tell I like Palm Olein.... :mrgreen:

Hi! I just ran your 50/50 recipe through a lye calculator and it looks good! I am just wondering if it traces very quickly with such a high stearic acid profile?

I sure can tell it is a favorite, and have you ever done palm olein at 80%?

Thanks

 

[Saponificarian]

Between 70-80% and the rest PKO for a kitchen sink soap.

I am ridiculously hopeless when it comes to swirls and such and I am suspecting it’s because I love my hard oils. I have a plain Jane recipe that is 20 each of Palmolein, Shea, Canola, Sunflower and PKO with full Water that gives me time to play when I want to attempt dem swirls :mrgreen: Of Course, not using temperamental fragrance oil. That recipe makes a mighty fine soap too.

 

[MissE]

Between 70-80% and the rest PKO for a kitchen sink soap.

I am ridiculously hopeless when it comes to swirls and such and I am suspecting it’s because I love my hard oils. I have a plain Jane recipe that is 20 each of Palmolein, Shea, Canola, Sunflower and PKO with full Water that gives me time to play when I want to attempt dem swirls :mrgreen: Of Course, not using temperamental fragrance oil. That recipe makes a mighty fine soap too.

Thanks for sharing!:bunny:

 

[Saponificarian]

You are welcome.

 

[allwin chris]

Hello Heidi. Palm Olein is most similar to Palm oil. I use it in place of palm oil in my recipe because it is readily available here and I have not been able to tell the difference between the recipe that has one or the other.

Mam,How many percent palm olein you have used.

 

[Saponificarian]

Mam,How many percent palm olein you have used.

I have used up to 60% with liquid oil like. canola and coconut oil or palm kernel oil.

 

[Zuleika]

I'm thinking of switching from Palm to Palm Olein. Would this kind of oil in the picture work? It's non-edible and for lighting oil lamps. It works out to be cheaper than my usual Palm oil by 50%.

 

[artemis]

I'm thinking of switching from Palm to Palm Olein. Would this kind of oil in the picture work? It's non-edible and for lighting oil lamps. It works out to be cheaper than my usual Palm oil by 50%.

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I would be concerned about the "coloring and fragrance." You have no way of knowing if those are safe for skin.

 

[Zuleika]

Ahhhh.. True that.. Missed that out in my excitement. Thanks for pointing out this important point.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

You might want to look for Red Palm Oil locally, possibly made by the same brand. It is all natural, soaps the same as regular palm, but it is liquid -- often has black sediment at the bottom due to unrefined crude processing. I buy it at the African Market here in Denver where it is a popular cooking oil. It results in light yellow to golden orange, depending on how much is used in the recipe.

 

[Zuleika]

I'm looking to make whiter soaps so haven't considered Red Palm although it's almost the same cost as normal Palm oil here. Guess I have to go down to the supermarket to study the veggie oils that are Palm olein only.

@Zany_in_CO Thanks for the recommendation of Red Palm. I've debated getting this for a while and might purchase a small bottle if I can find one small enough. I'm deathly afraid of discolouring foam and moulds.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

I'm deathly afraid of discolouring foam and moulds.

No worries. Red Palm soaps just like regular palm oil. In my 20-years experience, the color doesn't affect foam or stain molds.

Here's a thread where you can see what soap made with red palm looks like. Pretty!

https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/not-bad.91422/#post-986268

 

[Zuleika]

I'm happy to say my Palm Olein experiment was successful! Made 2 batches with no problems. At a quarter the price of my regular palm oil, I'm very happy with it!

Many thanks to everyone who helped me!

The soaps

The Palm Olein

 

[Georgeandstella]

You might want to look for Red Palm Oil locally, possibly made by the same brand. It is all natural, soaps the same as regular palm, but it is liquid -- often has black sediment at the bottom due to unrefined crude processing. I buy it at the African Market here in Denver where it is a popular cooking oil. It results in light yellow to golden orange, depending on how much is used in the recipe.

Fabulous! Which African market? I’m in Denver too