Palm Free!!

[Chris_S]

I'm currently enjoying cocoa butter in an olive base soap, with coconut, castor and sugar in a dual lye soap for the bubble-ness. High cocoa can lead to "chocolate bloom", which is a fine white bloom from the cocoa that it gets from temperature changes (it doesn't affect soap any more than it affects chocolate). Cocoa butter isn't really a long-term cost effective replacement (the prices are going up sharply and there's some ivory coast considerations [that I won't be elaborating on]), but it is rather nice.

Oh ye salted one could you point me in the direction of somewhere with good recipes and clear instruction on duel lye soaps iv just got some potash to try ls but would be interested in trying some Duel lye soap too. Thank you

 

[SaltedFig]

Oh ye salted one could you point me in the direction of somewhere with good recipes and clear instruction on duel lye soaps iv just got some potash to try ls but would be interested in trying some Duel lye soap too. Thank you

Not you too!

Anyways ...

Shave soap and cream soap makers often use dual lye to modify the texture of the final soap.

IrishLass uses dual lye in her shave soap (HP, making the two soaps individually, and then combining them to cook):
2015 thread: https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/100-koh-shave-soap-croap.57392/

The old techniques for making Aleppo and Castile naturally had a mixture of KOH and NaOH in the soap.
(This has been discussed on another forum)

Anne Watson wrote a book on Castile making, that referenced using dual lye:
2015: http://www.annelwatson.com/books/CastileSoap.html

DeeAnna wrote here about Anne's book (and the dual lye technique) in this thread:
2016: https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/dual-lye-castile.59747/
(DeeAnna also has her own website with details on how to manually calculate the values)

The SoapMakersFriend soap calculator (developed by the SMF folk!) has a dual lye calculator built in, so you can enter the percentages of NaOH to KOH that you would like to use (a common percentage for bar soaps is 95% NaOH to 5% KOH), so you can use any recipe you have and just plug it into the calculator

https://www.soapmakingfriend.com/soap-making-recipe-builder-lye-calculator/

 

[Alfa_Lazcares]

A question for my soy wax users: i found a supplier that list soy wax at high and low melting points (do not specify what is a low or high melting point) one of them looks like is in flakes and the other looks like blocks maybe? Any advise on what should i get?

 

[Dean]

A question for my soy wax users: i found a supplier that list soy wax at high and low melting points (do not specify what is a low or high melting point) one of them looks like is in flakes and the other looks like blocks maybe? Any advise on what should i get?

I use "415". Not sure if its avail in MX. You want no additives.

 

[Alfa_Lazcares]

I use "415". Not sure if its avail in MX. You want no additives.

What does 415 refers to? Melting point?

 

[SaltedFig]

What does 415 refers to? Melting point?

Not Dean, but that is the code for that particular wax.

The full code is GW415. The GW stands for Golden Wax, and 415 is the short name for this particular soy wax, in the Golden Wax range
The manufacturer is the American company AAK, and the wax is sold through distributors.

 

[Alfa_Lazcares]

Not Dean, but that is the code for that particular wax.

The full code is GW415. The GW stands for Golden Wax, and 415 is the short name for this particular soy wax, in the Golden Wax range
The manufacturer is the American company AAK, and the wax is sold through distributors.

Thanks for the info! I get it now, however the provider I am looking at is not a supplier for that manufacturer. They list the flakes for candle making because they do not melt? So my guess would be: get the other kind!

 

[KiwiMoose]

Thanks for the info! I get it now, however the provider I am looking at is not a supplier for that manufacturer. They list the flakes for candle making because they do not melt? So my guess would be: get the other kind!

Get the lowest melting point possible. The GW415 is pure soy wax with no additives and has the lowest melting point of all their waxes. The other waxes have additives to help them be 'stronger' for candles.
415 comes in flakes.https://www.candlescience.com/wax/golden-brands-415-soy-wax

 

[szaza]

Just a question since I see stearic acid mentioned here.. isn't it often derived from animal fat or palm oil? I found out after buying a pound of the stuff (which is a lot for my little hobby) and can't trace back the origin.. decided to use it but not buy more.

 

[Jenn]

Stearic is usually palm based - kinda ironic since a ton of palm free soapers are recommended to try it.

 

[Dean]

Just a question since I see stearic acid mentioned here.. isn't it often derived from animal fat or palm oil?

Yep.

BTW...SW is almost all animal/palm free stearic.

 

[Lin19687]

Yep.

BTW...SW is almost all animal/palm free stearic.

Not sure why anyone would think they were not.
SW is Soy Wax, not an animal nor from Palm, no ?