OMG!!!

[MyNaturesArt]

Ok, Im really peeved...I mean REALLY peeved!
I had come accross a teaching article about handmade soaps, got very excited about it, and as I read began to freak out! Its another Make soap without lye by using melt and pour! And you will have soap with NO LYE!

Ok..so I imediately hit my email and was going to compose a biting letter to the editors about this and decided, no Im going to go to my soaping community and ask you all to help me write, the perfect response.

Here is the article.
http://www.life123.com/hobbies/candles- ... -lye.shtml

 

[MyNaturesArt]

oh and they are using IVORY as their melt and pour!!

 

[AshleyR]

:O!!

I think they may be meaning that you can make soap without having to USE lye directly, though. It's kind of hard to tell if they really mean there's no lye at all in the soap, or you just don't have to use lye to make soap "this way".

Still though, that's a very misleading article! :evil:

 

[MyNaturesArt]

Oh no, they really mean lye-less here is a quote from it:
"Now that you have soap without lye, you can experiment with shapes by using a soap making mold and with soap making oils and soap making fragrances. With a little creativity and experimentation, you can end up with beautiful lye-less soaps."

This is what I have for my letter so far.

Hello,
Im sorry but as I was enjoying your site and reading the fun tidbits I stumbled upon this article of yours and my heart sank. I am a soap maker of many years, matter of fact I sell soap and own my own store. So Im not speaking from ignorance, but Im sorry to say the person who wrote this article is.

http://www.life123.com/hobbies/candles- ... -lye.shtml
Making Soap without Lye.

There is NO such thing as soap made without lye. Its physically IMPOSSIBLE. It is the combination of sodium hydroxide (lye) and oil that created soap. What ever other oils or fats or liquids you add to it, its the lye that actually makes soap. Melt and Pour soap you buy is still made with lye, and the fact that she suggests using Ivory bar soap to grate up and melt is even more ridiculous as it not only contains large amounts of lye its main base is made from BEEF FAT, called tallowate.

Im sure that as an editor you want the information you publish to be accurate. Please, Please, PLEASE re-edit this article, retract it or just remove it! You are doing a great injustice to all customers, clients, and hobbyists that will read this and help re-educate the masses.

Thank you,

Kimberly
Nature`s Art
http://MyNaturesArt.net

 

[Rosey]

oh wow. You should totally write them!!

 

[xyxoxy]

You're right... and it's pretty irresponsible.
The same author has a basic soap recipe that uses lye and lard which makes me cringe.

When you are ready to make your soap, pour this water into your glass saucepan. Carefully add the lye a little bit at a time. Stir the lye with a wooden spoon.
...
Do not use metal utensils to handle lye.

Let the mixture set until the following day and then cut it into bars. Allow it to harden for a few days, and then you can package it.

I guess it doesn't require any curing time.
She then refers to her "No-Lye" process article.

Another of her articles talks about the different scents you get from using different soap-making oils. No... not Essential oils... and not fragrance oils.
She lists several base oils and appears to have copy/pasted their properties from somewhere and seems to imply that using these different oils is how you can control the scent of your soap.


I love what the internet has done for soaping including all the great people on this and other forums... but I guess this is the downside.
So yeah... I'm not gonna be a regular visitor there. It's too bad they don't provide a mechanism to comment on the articles right on the site itself.

 

[Bubbles Galore]

How frustrating. :shock:

Quoted from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_(soap)

The Ivory soap bar (classic) had contained: sodium tallowate, sodium cocoate or sodium palm kernelate, water, sodium chloride, sodium silicate, magnesium sulfate, and fragrance.[7] The soap bar had a determined pH value: 9.5. [3]

New varieties of Ivory soap ...

If this is a quote from an actual Ivory Soap label, you can see why some people think there is no lye in the product. Perhaps pointing out that after saponification is complete, the lye is then non-existant and all that remains is the sodium salt.

Another quote from Wiki should convince them. :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_tallowate

Sodium tallowate is made from sodium hydroxide (better known as caustic soda or lye), steam, and animal (Ruminant, such as Adeps Bovis from cattle) fat (tallow). This process, called saponification, breaks down the triglyceride (fat), frees the glycerol, and produces a sodium salt, called sodium tallowate. It is usually combined with sodium cocoate, the sodium salt of coconut oil. Together they are with Sodium palmate one the major constituents of soap bars.

 

[Guest]

No Lye = No Soap , simple as that .


Kitn

 

[soapbuddy]

Thank you for writing them MyNaturesArt. I hope they get the message.

And using a wooden spoon? Oi vey! Over time you will get splinters in your soap.

 

[vivcarm]

:O!!

I think they may be meaning that you can make soap without having to USE lye directly, though. It's kind of hard to tell if they really mean there's no lye at all in the soap, or you just don't have to use lye to make soap "this way".

Still though, that's a very misleading article! :evil:

I agree with Ashley, it is about making soap, wothout using lye. And in theory if there is no super fat then there is no lye left as we all know, BUT I do think that the author has a duty to make the article clearer and more informative, as at the moment it is highly misleading.

 

[Manchy]

i also got frustrated yesterday reading one forum topic about natural and handmade soaps.

first one girl ignorantly said about one small sopamaker's soap "i will not use it, it's some standard oils mixed with lye - ewww i don't want soap with lye" :roll: the oils were palm, coconut, olive and sunflower..

than, even more frustrating was the girl who put an recipe for her own soap she found from dr. hauschka (brand of natural cosmetics). the recipe was for one single soap :shock: , and the lye listed in it, as i ran it through lye calc, was 2 times more than actually needed!
+ the recipe suggested to make soap of pure jojoba or almond oil.. i really wonder how the one with jojoba would turn out :?

anyway, i hope you send that letter, and they remove the article, cause that's really annoying

 

[Guest]

I'm an old-time soapmaker. I stopped making soap about the time "melt and pour" came into the scene. Soapmakers back then looked down upon the melt-and-pour. Now, I see that it's totally accepted..transparent and otherwise.

I can understand melt-and-pour as "artistic craft" but I don't consider it "soapmaking" and I certainly don't see it as "hand-crafted soap." I'm sure consumers don't know the difference between melt-and-pour and soap made from scratch.

I'm amazed at how flooded the market is with home-made soap, of either type. I just plug along and do my thing -- mostly ignore what's going on around me in the "soapmaking world" as I feel that it's totally out of control.

 

[gekko62]

What total BS!!
You either make soap with lye,or melt soap that someone else made with lye. :roll:

 

[Cortney]

I hope people who used her "lye soap" recipe didn't get hurt.....people like that irritate me :x

 

[chrisinflorida]

Thank you for writing them MyNaturesArt. I hope they get the message.

And using a wooden spoon? Oi vey! Over time you will get splinters in your soap.

Oooohhhh.......Exfoliation!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Yes, that article is totally ridiculous. Why don't people research something before writing an article about it? How hard is it to look up the definition of soap?

Chris

 

[Guest]

"More and more people are making soap without lye because they believe making soap with this ingredient can be harmful"

"Lye can lead to permanent injuries, including burns and blindness. Most soaps today are made with some form of lye. However, there are ways to make soap without lye."

"Now that you have soap without lye,"

"you can end up with beautiful lye-less soaps."


This is completely FALSE info. You should write to them and tell them that.

 

[jarvan]

So here's what I think. That article (and I read it) is totally irresponsible, full of lies and infuriating for those of us who do make soap. However, that said, I believe it to be a complete waste of time to even bother with these people. Writing to them will get frustration off of your chest, Kim, but it won't do a thing to get such an ignoramous to admit misinformation or change the content of that misinformation. I just think you are better off to write if you want to and vent realities to them or vent to us.

Ignorant stupid people are difficult or impossible to change. :x

 

[Ishbel]

You got to use that quote from bubblesgalore in your letter, just let them know!

 

[MyNaturesArt]

Youre right, i wrote them last night and let it go, doubt if i will even hear from them, but i feel ever so much better!! LOL

back to the fun!

 

[honor435]

you sound like me, i write companies when im tee offed, i get responses! One company i wrote was stayfree pads, did yal know those feminine pads are made with fermaldahyde(sp?)they should have warning labels on those! sorry men out there, had to say it. Anyway... let us know what they say.