No lye, it's "soap"

[tlm884]

I think all melt and pour is lye-based. It also contains high amounts of glycerin and sugar/sugar alcohols and sometimes soy proteins.

 

[debbism]

I think all melt and pour is lye-based. It also contains high amounts of glycerin and sugar/sugar alcohols and sometimes soy proteins.

Yes...the organic oils MP base is saponified oils - maybe she did not understand the term saponified. if you don't know what it means, you won't understand that lye was needed to saponify the oils. There are others which are made from detergents like Sodium Laureth Sulphate (SLES) and such.

Again, what was said before....OILS by themselves will NEVER NEVER EVER lather or make bubbles.

 

[carebear]

"organic" MP is lye based, but many MP bases are detergents and not soaps, and thus lye was not used in their production (unless to adjust the pH)

 

[Alaska beauty]

I have the same "lady" at local market with Shea butter soap. Ask her to melt oils and butters together before tell fairy tails. They are braking law, you can let local FDA agent to help her :twisted:

 

[Pentazole]

Well, you can never make "soap" without lye because by definition, soap is saponified triglycerides - more specifically, the metal salt of fatty acids, which is obtained most easily by saponifying triglycerides using sodium or potassium hydroxide. So even if you do make "soap" without lye, it can't be called "soap" unless it contains metal salts of fatty acids. Unfortunately this is a small technicality that is often forgotten in the business and people call solid bars "soap" even if they contained non-fatty acid surfactants.

It's definitely melt and pour, and the lady didn't really know what she was talking about - I agree it's scary to buy soap from soapmakers who don't know what they are selling.

If the ingredients do not say "sodium palm kernelate" or something that starts with "sodium" and ends in "ate" (sodium olivate, sodium cocoate, sodium palmate) then not only is she naive, but she is also false advertising.

Regarding washing the face with olive oil, while that works for some people, it may be problematic for others, especially those with acne prone skin. I don't know about others, but for me when I think "cleanser", I think of getting rid of the oily feeling on my skin, so I want a nice real bar of soap!

 

[dagmar88]

Well, you can never make "soap" without lye because by definition, soap is saponified triglycerides - more specifically, the metal salt of fatty acids, which is obtained most easily by saponifying triglycerides using sodium or potassium hydroxide. So even if you do make "soap" without lye, it can't be called "soap" unless it contains metal salts of fatty acids. Unfortunately this is a small technicality that is often forgotten in the business and people call solid bars "soap" even if they contained non-fatty acid surfactants.

FDA's very clear on this subject.
They're selling cosmetics as soap. Not a smart thing to do...

If the ingredients do not say "sodium palm kernelate" or something that starts with "sodium" and ends in "ate" (sodium olivate, sodium cocoate, sodium palmate) then not only is she naive, but she is also false advertising.

Not necessarily. I label what goes in, instead of what's in the final product.
If you'd declare as above, you'd run into all kinds of troubles.
You'd have to find out the amount of water in your soap after cure and which oils/butters aren't saponified and in what amount.
Also, often whebnyou see "sodium palm kernelate" that is what went in the final product; the oils come pre-saponified.

 

[AudreeCo]

Well, you can never make "soap" without lye because by definition, soap is saponified triglycerides - more specifically, the metal salt of fatty acids, which is obtained most easily by saponifying triglycerides using sodium or potassium hydroxide. So even if you do make "soap" without lye, it can't be called "soap" unless it contains metal salts of fatty acids. Unfortunately this is a small technicality that is often forgotten in the business and people call solid bars "soap" even if they contained non-fatty acid surfactants.

FDA's very clear on this subject.
They're selling cosmetics as soap. Not a smart thing to do...

If the ingredients do not say "sodium palm kernelate" or something that starts with "sodium" and ends in "ate" (sodium olivate, sodium cocoate, sodium palmate) then not only is she naive, but she is also false advertising.

Not necessarily. I label what goes in, instead of what's in the final product.
If you'd declare as above, you'd run into all kinds of troubles.
You'd have to find out the amount of water in your soap after cure and which oils/butters aren't saponified and in what amount.
Also, often whebnyou see "sodium palm kernelate" that is what went in the final product; the oils come pre-saponified.

Pre-saponified oils?

 

[Pentazole]

Not necessarily. I label what goes in, instead of what's in the final product.
If you'd declare as above, you'd run into all kinds of troubles.
You'd have to find out the amount of water in your soap after cure and which oils/butters aren't saponified and in what amount.
Also, often whebnyou see "sodium palm kernelate" that is what went in the final product; the oils come pre-saponified.

Aye I agree, but I was referring to this case in specific. The point was if no "lye" was listed, then there has to be a fatty acid salt. It's either NaOH/KOH and oils, or "sodium"or"potassium" ....... "ate".

at any rate, those that produce the base of melt and pour soap aren't making it CP way, they are using presaponified oils