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Jamesconn

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I have been wanting to get into soap making for awhile but my research stopped when it seemed like I needed a wooden barrel to make lye. I have looked for some and it seemed like all were way too expensive and way to big for my purposes.

I will introduce myself in another thread this is my first post for now I just want to make my own soap and candles I don't really care about fragrance.
 
The barrel is used when you make your own lye, from wood ash. People who use wooden barrels already have them and don't buy them specifically to make soap. It doesn't need to be a wooden barrel, there are other materials that are not damaged by lye.

More important : probably nobody on this forum makes their own lye. Here we make soap with lye which is purchased from various hardware or online stores.

If you mention a wooden barrel on this forum, you'll get mostly confused/surprised reactions :)

Shortly, this is the method we use here:
- mix lye water into melted oils/fat preferably using a stick blender
- pour into a wooden/plastic mold and wait for it to harden/cure

Certain recipes involve a boiling stage, called hot process.

There are many tutorials out there, or on this site, this is just an example:
http://smftutorials.com/drupal/the-begi ... g-tutorial

Be aware that lye is very toxic/caustic (it can burn the skin/eyes in seconds) and needs to be handled with proper safety equipment.
 
I use wooden barrels for many thing, but not anything to do with soap.

I buy my lye from a local hardware shop and it comes in large plastic containers that are easy to pour from.

I mix my lye with water in a stainless bowl ... and then add the lye to my oil and butter mix in a stainless bowl.

My moulds are silicon.
 
Well if I have to buy lye at the store my interest gone I wanted a super simple recipie that I don't have to go to the store for
 
Welcome Jamesconn. :)

While some people can and do still make lye from ashes, you'll need to keep in mind that all lyes are not the same. The lye that one can make from wood ashes is called potassium hydroxide, which produces soft soap, although you can use the 'salting out' method when preparing the soap to make the soap harder.

I personally don't know of anyone that makes their own lye on the forum (unless they are in hiding or I just missed those threads :wink: ). I've read on the internet of those that do, but it was mostly in regards to historical demonstations/enactments.

From all I've read, it's difficult to get a good, measurably consistent product when making your own lye, which makes it all the more difficult to make consistent soap with it that won't burn your hide off. That's why it's much better to use patented lye- the kind that we soap makers buy at the hardware store or online. The strength of patented lye is measurably consistent and uniform, which makes it safe in that you can consistently calculate how much lye to weigh out to use in whatever soap formula so that it won't come out dangerously lye-heavy. Oh- and the kind of lye that we use to make hard bars of soap is called sodium hydroxide as opposed to potassium hydroxide. You can buy patented potassium hydroxide, too, but we use that for liquid or soft/cream-type soaps.

Besides Essential Depot that lsg mentioned above, you can buy lye online from several others. I buy mine from AAA Chemical Supply out of Texas. There's also The Lye Guy and Brambleberry as well. If you buy it at the hardware store, make sure the ingredients say 100% Sodium Hydroxide (very important). Ace Hardware sells Rooto brand lye, and Lowes sells Roebic brand lye- both 100 % sodium hydroxide. Bear in mind, though, that they may not be available at all Ace's or Lowe's. Some carry it and others do not.

As for simple recipes, there are several on this forum. There's one called Paul's Wal-mart Soap: http://www.soapmakingforum.com/forum/vi ... ht=walmart All the ingredients (except for lye) can be found at Wal-Mart. You can also make soap with just lard or tallow, lye and water, but it'll be hard to avoid store-bought unless you are rendering your own fat from your own hogs or cows. You'll notice the above recipe is written in percents and does not contain the amount of lye to use. It's written in percents so that people can easily re-size it to fit in their particular molds, and the lye and water amounts are absent because people like to vary the amounts of each in their formulas (within safe boundaries, of course) in order to suit their preferences. To get the proper amount of lye (patented lye) and water for the oils/fats you are using, you must run your recipe through a lye calculator (either an online calculator or by hand) to figure out how much of each to use so that your soap will not come out lye-heavy. All of the online calculators assume you are using patented lye, which has a known strength. It's very difficult to know the strength of homemade lye.

I would suggest reading and researching all you can about the process of saponification before attempting your venture so that you will know what you are getting into, and also read all you can on the safety precautions that are needed when handling lye. Besides reading here on the forum, here are some other good sites that teach soapmaking:

http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/soapm ... e-Soap.htm

http://www.millersoap.com/index.html


IrishLass :)
 
When I started making soap I saw a video with someone that made her own lye... It was way to much work and was not consistent enough for me to try it. Soap making has way to many variables at it is for me to mess around with making my own lye.

I am sure if you search you will find her (not sure if I can mention her name on this forum). She is the wonderful quirky woman with the hat ;)
 
If you want a super simple soap recipe, making your own lye will certainly take the 'simple' out of it! Using the lye you get in a store makes a much more reliable soap (reproducible and is less likely to take your skin off)....however, if you want it to be more self-sufficient you can always go out, kill a critter, render the fat, and make soap (with store bought lye) from that!

Or, if you really want to make lye in a barrel, you can always learn how to make barrels first....
 
No I'm not going to make a barrel and i don't know what y'all have a problem with being self sufficient no I am not self sufficient but I work on one thing at a time.

I cast my own projectiles and reload my own ammunition I like challenges that wasn't easy either to start. I know some safety rules should be followed and some special clothing should be worn I don't care

I guess I can learn some other way I learned making ammunition from a forum so I thought I might try it again

Yea I'm gonna make it from tallow I use everything possible from the animals I kill.
 
What keeps popping into my head is the uncertainty of the strength of the caustic you are making as it can be different each time according to the article - It makes using a lye calculator difficult and will lend itself to many botched batches. So I would guess it will be rather wasteful of your tallow.

Those of us who have been making soap for a long time STILL have the occasional botched batch as there are so many variables that go into a good batch of soap.

I honestly do not see anything wrong with purchasing this one ingredient in order to save your tallow and ensure accuracy and a safe product.

BUT if you do go ahead and make your own lye, please share your experience back here. I would be interested in seeing the process as it happens.
 
Jamesconn said:
No I'm not going to make a barrel and i don't know what y'all have a problem with being self sufficient no I am not self sufficient but I work on one thing at a time.

I personally hold nothing wrong against being self-sufficient. Actually, I commend you and admire you for it. :) And there's nothing wrong with wanting to make your own lye. I'm sorry if I came off that way to you. It's just that our forum is geared more towards those who are marketing their soap to the general public or who want to eventually market their soap one day in the future, or towards those who just want their soap to be the best it can possibly be compared with modern standards, and so we like use ingredients that have proven, consisent, high stability factors that we can rely on built into them. Unfortunately, homemade lye from wood ash falls short of helping us to meet our specific goals, but that doesn't mean we hold anything against you for wanting to try. I say go for it!

I would definitely check out the link that semplice provided on how to make lye from wood ashes. I've always found David Fisher to be very helpful.

And as debbism said- please share your experiences with us . Even if we don't use wood ash lye ourselves, we are all avid soap makers who love reading soap-related experiences. :)

IrishLass :)
 
Jamesconn said:
No I'm not going to make a barrel and i don't know what y'all have a problem with being self sufficient no I am not self sufficient but I work on one thing at a time.

We have no issue with it! I have the Foxfire books and adore them.

Just pointing out that while you mentioned simplicity, making your own lye will take you in the other direction. Because
- you need to have the materials available
- your caustic won't be sodium hydroxide
- your caustic won't be of a known strength
- it's somewhat dangerous to have the caustic material gathering in the yard or wherever
and then some

yep, there are work-arounds but they complicate things.

the most typically used method here is simplicity itself.

but have at it, and have fun. and post pictures and reviews of the soap you make!
 
All you need are two five gallon plastic buckets. Drill a bunch of holes in the bottom of one. Put six inches of hay in it and press it down. Add ashes close to the top packing it down hard as you add. The other catches the lye. It's a beer makers trick. It's easy man. I make my own. Once you know how, game over. Let'em guess.
 
Once you have your lye water of unknown strength, mix it with your rendered tallows and hopefully your resulting soap won't burn your skin. Add a little more tallow than lye water. Hopefully you can eyeball it right. I suggest burning hardwoods and using those ashes instead of pine or softwoods.
 
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I have been wanting to get into soap making for awhile but my research stopped when it seemed like I needed a wooden barrel to make lye. I have looked for some and it seemed like all were way too expensive and way to big for my purposes.

I will introduce myself in another thread this is my first post for now I just want to make my own soap and candles I don't really care about fragrance.

A wooden barrel and wood ashes isn't the only way. You can make lye with another method. But you will have to buy some supplies....
 
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