although i love my daughter very much....i have pegged her as being manipulative and less than honest for years....unfortunately my husband does not agree and we have been at odds for most of our marriage about how to handle her. it has been a great strain on our relationship and family. i agree that she has not really learned much of a lesson from this....and if the hard lesson comes further down the road....then so be it. i have tried my best not to alienate her or my husband but it has been very difficult. i appreciate everyone's insightful thought and comments.