ngian
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Well my last experiment was about jojoba wax oil and cetyl alcohol, after watching the interesting video with Kevin Dunn
http://fyi101.com/superfatting-and-lye-discounting-part-2-presented-by-dr-kevin-dunn/
where after 34:00 he is talking about an ingredient that can replace jojoba in a CP soap. And that is cetyl alcohol as its molecule is very similar to the unsaponifible part of jojoba. Soaps with jojoba are said to give something special to the suds and that is suds that stay alive longer.
I have already used cetyl alcohol for my little daughter's hair conditioner (using only btms and cetyl alcohol) and when I use it on her hair I can also see the tiny suds of the conditioner that are still there until I wash them off.
I have also read >> an interesting article << where it says that glycerin helps the soapy water game have sustainable bubbles. And that is for the fact that water from the bubble's layer
http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/images/content/9z.jpg
is not evaporating so fast. Maybe something similar is happening with cetyl Alcohol.
At this point I'm also wondering if the longer hydrophobic tale of the palmitic/stearic fatty acids are the ones to blame for the stability of the soap's lather.
Anyway back to my experiment I have made three soaps with the recipes below:
Lye Concentration: 29,4% | 2,4:1
Lye Discount: -0,5% (NaOH 98% pure)
Two soaps "Control" and "Cetyl Alcohol"
Lard: (40%)
Coconut: (30%)
Olive Oil: (30%)
-Cetyl Alcohol as an additive at 3% only in the "Cetyl Alcohol" soap.
One soap with "Jojoba"
Lard: (40%)
Coconut: (30%)
Olive Oil: (25%)
Jojoba: (5%)
I took the 5% amount from Olive oil for jojoba as the part that saponifies in jojoba wax is similar (or the same) to oleic acid. I also used 3% Cetyl as almost half of the jojoba remains unsaponified.
I used too much water than I usually (33% lye Concentration) do because I was afraid that mixing lye and oils over 50°C in order for cetyl to remain liquid and that would reach trace a little faster than normal. But I think that this wasn't needed as all the soaps didn't reached trace easily. I had a feeling that with a 33% LC all would be under control and I think lard was helping a lot on that. I used the same amount of water for all soaps for the sake of evaluation of the experiment. As a note jojoba came to trace veeeeeryyy slowly that my SB raised its temperature and I thought it would stop working before trace...
So after the 8 weeks of curing I will come back with any feedback.
Until now I have only read this experiment for cetyl vs jojoba
http://masteringsoapmaking.blogspot.gr/2013/12/experiment-cetyl-alcohol-in-cp-soap.html
If anyone has another link I would be grateful if you share it.
and a couple of jojoba soaps for my kids:
http://fyi101.com/superfatting-and-lye-discounting-part-2-presented-by-dr-kevin-dunn/
where after 34:00 he is talking about an ingredient that can replace jojoba in a CP soap. And that is cetyl alcohol as its molecule is very similar to the unsaponifible part of jojoba. Soaps with jojoba are said to give something special to the suds and that is suds that stay alive longer.
I have already used cetyl alcohol for my little daughter's hair conditioner (using only btms and cetyl alcohol) and when I use it on her hair I can also see the tiny suds of the conditioner that are still there until I wash them off.
I have also read >> an interesting article << where it says that glycerin helps the soapy water game have sustainable bubbles. And that is for the fact that water from the bubble's layer
http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/images/content/9z.jpg
is not evaporating so fast. Maybe something similar is happening with cetyl Alcohol.
At this point I'm also wondering if the longer hydrophobic tale of the palmitic/stearic fatty acids are the ones to blame for the stability of the soap's lather.
Anyway back to my experiment I have made three soaps with the recipes below:
Lye Concentration: 29,4% | 2,4:1
Lye Discount: -0,5% (NaOH 98% pure)
Two soaps "Control" and "Cetyl Alcohol"
Lard: (40%)
Coconut: (30%)
Olive Oil: (30%)
-Cetyl Alcohol as an additive at 3% only in the "Cetyl Alcohol" soap.
One soap with "Jojoba"
Lard: (40%)
Coconut: (30%)
Olive Oil: (25%)
Jojoba: (5%)
I took the 5% amount from Olive oil for jojoba as the part that saponifies in jojoba wax is similar (or the same) to oleic acid. I also used 3% Cetyl as almost half of the jojoba remains unsaponified.
I used too much water than I usually (33% lye Concentration) do because I was afraid that mixing lye and oils over 50°C in order for cetyl to remain liquid and that would reach trace a little faster than normal. But I think that this wasn't needed as all the soaps didn't reached trace easily. I had a feeling that with a 33% LC all would be under control and I think lard was helping a lot on that. I used the same amount of water for all soaps for the sake of evaluation of the experiment. As a note jojoba came to trace veeeeeryyy slowly that my SB raised its temperature and I thought it would stop working before trace...
So after the 8 weeks of curing I will come back with any feedback.
Until now I have only read this experiment for cetyl vs jojoba
http://masteringsoapmaking.blogspot.gr/2013/12/experiment-cetyl-alcohol-in-cp-soap.html
If anyone has another link I would be grateful if you share it.
and a couple of jojoba soaps for my kids:
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