Increasing the stability of oils with meadowfoam oil?

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If I have some grapeseed oil or any high linoleic/short shelf life oil for e.g. would adding some meadowfoam oil extend its shelf life and would this translate into a longer life soap?
If not meadowfoam oil are there any other methods of preserving such oils in storage/soap apart from the obvious storing them in the fridge.
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I do know meadowfoam or jojoba increases the shelf life of oils such as grapeseed and rosehip oil in my lotions and salves. I use meadowfoam or jojoba as a high % of the total fat in the lotion, however -- maybe 30% to 80% of the fats in the recipe.

You don't mention what % of meadowfoam you'd add to the grapeseed. I'd think if it was a fairly low %, it might not do too much. But I haven't tried it to know.

Honestly, if you want a really effective additive to protect your fats during storage, you're better off using the antioxidant rosemary oleoresin (ROE). You use it in tiny amounts, like 0.05%, and it does a very good job of protecting fats from rancidity. I would also store grapeseed in the fridge as well, just to be on the safe side, as you already are doing.

As far as extending the shelf life of soap, some of the research I've read says you're better off to use a chelator such as sodium citrate, ETDA, etc. if you are going to use just one additive. Rancidity in soap is often triggered by metal contamination, and that's what a chelator controls. An antioxidant would be a close second on the list, and in that case ROE is a good choice.
 
I also agree with adding ROE to fresh opened oils. Also Meadowfoam is a complete waste of money in soap. If you want longer shelf life soap stay away from grapeseed oil, non-high oleic sunflower and canola. All are high in Linoleic Acid which shortens the shelf life of the oil and soap
 
I also agree with adding ROE to fresh opened oils. Also Meadowfoam is a complete waste of money in soap. If you want longer shelf life soap stay away from grapeseed oil, non-high oleic sunflower and canola. All are high in Linoleic Acid which shortens the shelf life of the oil and soap
Ok thanks guys! ROE it is. Problem is cmzaha that I love how certain high linoleic oils feel in my soap but I only use between 10-15% of them. Can't hurt the shelf life too much right?

Also do I remember correctly that I should avoid ROE if I am using sodium citrate in my soap
 
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According to Kevin Dunn in his book Scientific Soapmaking, he found the combination of ROE and sodium citrate to not be effective in reducing the rate at which his soap darkened over time. So, yes, you might conclude the combination of ROE + sodium citrate doesn't work well if you look just at Dunn's work. But I'm not entirely sure Dunn's studies reflect how real world soapers use these ingredients and the real world results they get.

For example, Dunn also didn't find citrate alone to be very effective at preventing color change, but based on what soapers say here, there is evidence that citrate is actually helpful in preventing actual rancidity/DOS. Maybe it is not as good as EDTA, but it's helpful.

Difference is Dunn used a lot less citrate (0.1% of oils) than most soapers do -- I typically see sodium citrate being used more in the range of 1 - 3%.

Same with the ROE + sodium citrate combination. If one uses ROE at 0.5% by weight of fats and sodium citrate at 1-3%, what is the outcome of that combination? We don't know if the results would be the same as what Dunn found or something else.

[Geeky digression -- Dunn's studies on rancidity/DOS are really interesting, but one thing that's not widely appreciated by us soapers is that he did not wait to see if his soap actually developed DOS. He only measured the color change of the soap bars in the first few weeks after he made the soap. If soap darkens more over time, that is a sign that the soap is oxidizing more, so it's reasonable to correlate color change with increased probability of rancidity/DOS. But Dunn didn't actually test whether the soap developed DOS or not. I think his studies are useful and well worth heeding, but they do have limitations due to how his experiments were designed.]
 
Are all ROEs created equal? Any recommended brands? I'd be looking for a brand I could get on Amazon, not from a dedicated (US-based) supplier. tNX
 
Are all ROEs created equal? Any recommended brands? I'd be looking for a brand I could get on Amazon, not from a dedicated (US-based) supplier. tNX

No, they are not all created equal. It comes in difference strengths, which means you use different amounts depending on which strength you buy. Does one of your Canadian soap suppliers sell it? I'd suggest buying there rather than from an Amazon supplier, unless that Amazon vendor is also a reputable soap supplier (not all are.) See DeeAnna's article on ROE here.

Oh, here's an answer to my question: https://candorasoap.ca/catalogsearch/result/?q=rosemary+oleoresin

But this is probably better because this vendor is recommended here by Canadian SMF members AND it includes more information:
http://www.saffireblue.ca/shop/antioxidants/rosemary-oleoresin-extract-roe
 
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