HP, cocoa butter after cook?

[kryse13]

This is my recipe i am thinking about making:

80% Lard
10% Avocado oil
10% cocoa butter

15% superfat
1 Tbsp Honey per pound of oils
ground oats 1/4 cup per pound of oils
Fragrance oil .5oz per pound of oils

ok i know Honey, oats and the fragrance oils go in after the cook in HP soap, but i am using non refined cocoa butter and i was thinking if i add it after saponification some of the scent and other qualities could be saved from the lye?

Maybe i should just skip the HP and do a CP?

any help is appreciated

 

[boyago]

I wrote a nice long reply to this about supper SFing and timing and lye reactions and then re-read your post and ralized it didn't really apply apply to what you were asking. I would think that if you went with HP route and calculated your batter to about 0% SF and cooked it through your lye reaction and then threw you cocoa butter in to SF that you would indeed have a much less significant reaction the cocoa butter and would retain more of the properties of the cocoa that you would like to carry through. Hopefully someone with more experience with HP can chime in as I have only done it once. Cocoa butter is pretty stable too so you got that going for you but I think 15% might leave you a little greasy.

 

[kryse13]

So maybe a 10% sf with the cocoa butter at the end? I'm more worried about it being drying as a 6% sf with lard has been a little too drying to my skin (no cocoa butter added).

Should have posted it anyway I like learning more about soap making.

 

[kryse13]

Another question I thought of when reading about FO's and seizing, in regards to HP, if you were to mix it with a bit of water then add it after cook would that give u more time before having a concrete brick of soap?

 

[CaraCara]

No seizing of FO's in HP-one of the perks. It's the reaction with lye that causes the seize and if the soap is cooked there's no lye left. Don't add it until a few minutes after the cook so it will cool down a bit.

 

[kryse13]

No seizing of FO's in HP-one of the perks. It's the reaction with lye that causes the seize and if the soap is cooked there's no lye left. Don't add it until a few minutes after the cook so it will cool down a bit.

Ooh, thank you, I didn't know that!

 

[roseb]

Make your recipe as is. Then after the cook add additional cocoa butter. So the cocoa butter you add at the end will stay put. For a 2 lb loaf I usually add an additional oz of superfatting oil.

 

[roseb]

Have you done research on adding oats to hp before the cook? I've always been afraid that it would be cooked and become a big mush. I always do my honey & oats cp.

 

[kryse13]

Have you done research on adding oats to hp before the cook? I've always been afraid that it would be cooked and become a big mush. I always do my honey & oats cp.

No actually, I didn't even think of that. I'm gunna google it intensly for the rest of the night

 

[kryse13]

roseb, so I looked it up and a couple sites say to add it after the cook with the fragrance oils. So that is what I will be doing.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the OP you thought maybe CP would be the way to go - but as I understand it, the lye is still present at pouring with CP, so you'd not be able to choose which fats get saponified and which ones don't. With HP you can put it in after the cook, no more lye, so no reaction.

Or am I mistaken?

 

[CaraCara]

That's correct.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Might make a soaper out of me yet!

 

[kryse13]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the OP you thought maybe CP would be the way to go - but as I understand it, the lye is still present at pouring with CP, so you'd not be able to choose which fats get saponified and which ones don't. With HP you can put it in after the cook, no more lye, so no reaction.

Or am I mistaken?

I thought cp may be the way to go because I have done it before and know what that looks like. This will be my first HP and I was wondering if I was getting to technical for HP especially my first batch

 

[kryse13]

So I made the recipe! Think I cooked it a little too long before putting in my FO. And I sat the slow cooker bowl in cool water to try and make it cool as to not lose anymore FO due to the heat, umm it ended up getting really hard so I was scooping it out with my hands and kneading it into the mold . Well ill see how well it turns out when I cut it.

 

[kryse13]

A little piece of nettle found its way into this recipe!

 

[kazmi]

Can't wait to see how it comes out when you cut it so you have to post pics!

 

[seven]

how much water did you use for the recipe?

when i do hp, i don't do water discount, always go for the full 3:1 (water:lye). the reason for this is because some water got evaporated during the cooking process. my 1st hp batch, i did a water discount, and i can really see and feel the difference in consistency. the one with the full water was easier to work with, easier to mold, not drying up so fast.

i still find it a bit tricky with hp sometimes, not to fiddle too long when putting fo/eo/sf. the last thing i want is a soap that is starting to dry up when i put it in the mold.

 

[CaraCara]

I take the crock pot, put it on the counter or stove to help it cool down faster and stir lots--not so cool that it starts to harden but cooler so that my EO/FO's won't evaporate as quickly. I also add my superfatting oil(s) at that time to add instant moisture so transferring into the mold is easier.

 

[kryse13]

how much water did you use for the recipe?

i still find it a bit tricky with hp sometimes, not to fiddle too long when putting fo/eo/sf. the last thing i want is a soap that is starting to dry up when i put it in the mold.

I used full water 38 percent. and yeah I fiddled too long. the second batch turned out much better and it had 35 percent water.

I take the crock pot, put it on the counter or stove to help it cool down faster and stir lots--not so cool that it starts to harden but cooler so that my EO/FO's won't evaporate as quickly. I also add my superfatting oil(s) at that time to add instant moisture so transferring into the mold is easier.

I did that but it wasn't cooling fast enough for me I need patience!