how to make a runny / liquidy lotion with beeswax?

[alexia11]

Hi there, i have made several creams with beeswax and I love it but I wondering if any of you has created a lotion (meaning it is runny, very liquidy) with beeswax. Please note I made my creams 100% organic and I do not want to use e wax, borax, lanolin or any other chemicals.
if you can share your percentage oil/ water/beeswax, I would greatly appreciated it!

I was also wondering if you made a whipped shea butter, can it get runny without any beeswax?!

Thanks!!

 

[soapbuddy]

I don't think you can, unless you just use a combo of liquid oils. Those would end up a runny consistency.
Any product that has water in it (like a lotion) will require a preservative to sell. Currently, there are no truly natural preservatives on the market for us handcrafters.
Do you get your 100% organic creams tested? If not, I would suggest that you do. The testing is quite reasonable at The Sage Script Institute.

 

[Lindy]

To create a lotion you are emulsifying oil into water and this requires the binding of an ewax. You also need to know that Emulsifying Wax (E-Wax) is vegetable derived.

Lanolin is also an organic since it comes from sheep, it's not a chemical.

Preservatives - Tinosan claims to be a natural preservative, however it has limitations with regards to PH levels. You would need to test your formulations to make sure that nothing is growing. If you need other posts on preservatives in this section you can see the discussions that have already occurred. The most effective preservatives are the chemicals and when used correctly they are safe. There are a lot out there that are paraben & formaldehyde free. There are lots of "natural" products that claim to preserve, they don't, they are anti-oxidants only. Do the research and you will be surprised.....

Good luck with your formulating.....

 

[Hazel]

I don't think you can, unless you just use a combo of liquid oils. Those would end up a runny consistency.
Any product that has water in it (like a lotion) will require a preservative to sell. Currently, there are no truly natural preservatives on the market for us handcrafters.
Do you get your 100% organic creams tested? If not, I would suggest that you do. The testing is quite reasonable at The Sage Script Institute.

Thanks for posting! I went and looked at this site because I've been wondering about having my lotions and creams tested. Now I know where to send samples if I ever decide selling might be possible.

 

[Earthchild]

I'm with the others. Unless you want to create a thin, anhydrous product using only oils and wax (which won't actually be a "lotion"), you will need an emulsifier. Beeswax is a thickener, but it doesn't have the ability to emulsify water and oil. Also, there are no completely natural, effective preservatives on the market. If you want to go totally natural and organic you will have to stick with anhydrous products. Though with a "mostly natural" label you can make lovely, amazing products - from lotions/creams to hair conditioners, shampoos, and anything else you can dream up. All with a little e-wax and preservative. Good luck!

 

[carebear]

beeswax, in combination with borax, can act as an emulsifier, but frankly it's not great.

http://www.soapmakingforum.com/forum/vi ... 340067e593

 

[Earthchild]

True, though while I've had it work, the results are never as pleasant as with e-wax. Still, OP if you don't want to use borax or e-wax, or any other partly unnatural emulsifier, than stable emulsification just isn't going to be possible. HTH!

 

[carebear]

how about lecithin?

 

[IanT]

Also, another thing to think of (from a massage therapists' standpoint) Is that when you use lotion that has beeswax in it, it tends to ball up after you rub it in because the wax is not absorbed into the skin. Beeswax is one of the more heavy waxes available on the market. Why do you want to create a very runny lotion? Just curious, what is your application? personal or professional use?

It all make s a difference

 

[alexia11]

thanks so much for your replies

I am quite surprised some of you say that you cant combine oil and water with beeswax because this is all I use and it works very well!
just give it a try one day if you are doubful, I usually do 60% oil / butter with 35% water or floral water and 5% beeswax. I really like those creams, some of them are light and do not leave a greasy feeling, it all depends what kind of oils you are using.

I never use any conservateurs or any other chemicals. Borax (or sodium borate) , lanolin, ewax or lecitin are all chemically made. if you dont believe me just look at each on this website http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com
there are Government, industry, academic studies and classifications.
I dont want to get on this debate but I suggest you just get yourself informed on what you are putting on your skin.

I was just curious to know if some of you created a runny lotion with beeswax but i guess ill keep experimenting on my own.

thanks all of you for replying!

 

[soapbuddy]

Alexia11,
Take a look at this database. http://personalcaretruth.com/
I take the one that you posted with a grain of salt.

 

[carebear]

Re: thanks so much for your replies

I am quite surprised some of you say that you cant combine oil and water with beeswax because this is all I use and it works very well!
just give it a try one day if you are doubful, I usually do 60% oil / butter with 35% water or floral water and 5% beeswax. I really like those creams, some of them are light and do not leave a greasy feeling, it all depends what kind of oils you are using.

you forgot to mention that you use a preservative to keep it safe. I'm sure it was an oversight, but because we have lots of folks new to lotion making and such on the forum it's important to keep that on your ingredient list.

 

[dagmar88]

Re: thanks so much for your replies

I am quite surprised some of you say that you cant combine oil and water with beeswax because this is all I use and it works very well!
just give it a try one day if you are doubful, I usually do 60% oil / butter with 35% water or floral water and 5% beeswax. I really like those creams, some of them are light and do not leave a greasy feeling, it all depends what kind of oils you are using.

you forgot to mention that you use a preservative to keep it safe. I'm sure it was an oversight, but because we have lots of folks new to lotion making and such on the forum it's important to keep that on your ingredient list.

"I never use any conservateurs"
No, she doesn't, and I bet there's nothing anyone can say to change that. Just hoping any new lotion makers won't follow her example and take the risk of hurting themselves and/or others.

 

[alexia11]

thanks soapbuddy, its an interesting website but I could not see any cream recipes? can you point me to the page?

Carebear, i use essential oils and vitamin e as natural preservatives. works great; of course the organic cream I make do not have a very long shelve life like the one chemically made but the shelve life is at least two months.
the butter I make can last up to one year since there is no water.

@ dagmar88 I find your comment rather ofensive...just stick to use your chemicals if they suit you. no need to scare poeple if they prefer natural products. I suggest you do a little bit of research, I have several books with natural recipes, I dont think they would be published if they were "hurting" poeple like you say... There are also more and more product on the market with no chemical preservatives. no need to reply I got no time for poeple like you.

 

[Deda]

Hi everyone, I am trying new things and got totally addicted to make face creams, body lotion, body butter, lip balms all natural and organic made with beeswax. Can you share your favorite recipes and or formula please?
I am eager to try new things and getting inspired. Thanks!!

You posted this less than 2 weeks ago?
Now you "got no time for poeple like you."

 

[dagmar88]

thanks soapbuddy, its an interesting website but I could not see any cream recipes? can you point me to the page?

Carebear, i use essential oils and vitamin e as natural preservatives. works great; of course the organic cream I make do not have a very long shelve life like the one chemically made but the shelve life is at least two months.
the butter I make can last up to one year since there is no water.

@ dagmar88 I find your comment rather ofensive...just stick to use your chemicals if they suit you. no need to scare poeple if they prefer natural products. I suggest you do a little bit of research, I have several books with natural recipes, I dont think they would be published if they were "hurting" poeple like you say... There are also more and more product on the market with no chemical preservatives. no need to reply I got no time for poeple like you.

It wasn't meant to be offensive towards you; more to emphasize the importance of using a broadspectrum preservative in aqueous products.

Essential oils and Vitamin E are not preservatives and can not be used for this purpose.
Thank you for the suggestion; I've been doing my research for several years.

 

[alexia11]

deda,

I did not start making creams two week ago..just said I was trying new formulas...and was interested in getting ideas and sharing knowledge. isnt it what a forum is about!!??
however I am not interested in getting comment like you or dagmar so please delete my account asap.
thank you very much for your kind understanding.

 

[dubnica]

Hi Everyone, I hope someone can help, I am new and very eager to make my first boby lotion!
I used the following ingredients:
- Beewax
- aloe vera
- coconut oil
- Jojoba oil
- rosehip oil
- glycerin
- essential oil of jasmin and bergamot.

I melted all those ingredients in a double pan, then whipped it with a whipper but he problem is that I cannot make all those ingredients turn into a cream, (white like a body cream), the ingredients when cooling down do not have the texture of a cream but more of a wax...

What am i missing here?!
Do I NEED to add borax or lanolin?
Is there anything I am not doing correctly.

Please help!!!
Thx you !

But you did post this on July 28....

 

[PrairieCraft]

I did a little research the last time one of these types of threads came along. Seems like the anti-preservative people are all the same, quoting that website and getting all upset. There is a lady with a website somewhere on the west coast, who goes on a rant about how her formulas don't need preservatives and then goes on to say that she doesn't find it necessary to have her products sent out for "expensive testing" either, that because they are all natural they must be safe. Kinda scary, most consumers aren't informed enough to know better. If you really and truly want to be all natural then making up a batch of cream with oils that were shipped here from thousands of miles away isn't really natural, is it? Even product with preservatives go bad more quickly than you would think. I bet your lotion is full of bacteria way sooner than 2 months. But bacteria are natural, right. :wink:

 

[carebear]

Just to make sure things are clear...
do not make lotion without PROPERLY preserving it.
vitamin E can act as an antioxidant, but doesn't do **** against molds and fungus.
some essential oils have some preservative effect - this does NOT mean that tossing them into your formula will adequately protect it.

and just for fun and posterity... (if you haven't read the whole thread above, be sure to read to the end of this post!)

Hi there, i have made several creams with beeswax and I love it but I wondering if any of you has created a lotion (meaning it is runny, very liquidy) with beeswax. Please note I made my creams 100% organic and I do not want to use e wax, borax, lanolin or any other chemicals.
if you can share your percentage oil/ water/beeswax, I would greatly appreciated it!

I was also wondering if you made a whipped shea butter, can it get runny without any beeswax?!

Thanks!!

I am quite surprised some of you say that you cant combine oil and water with beeswax because this is all I use and it works very well!
just give it a try one day if you are doubful, I usually do 60% oil / butter with 35% water or floral water and 5% beeswax. I really like those creams, some of them are light and do not leave a greasy feeling, it all depends what kind of oils you are using.

I never use any conservateurs or any other chemicals. Borax (or sodium borate) , lanolin, ewax or lecitin are all chemically made. if you dont believe me just look at each on this website http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com
there are Government, industry, academic studies and classifications.
I dont want to get on this debate but I suggest you just get yourself informed on what you are putting on your skin.

I was just curious to know if some of you created a runny lotion with beeswax but i guess ill keep experimenting on my own.

thanks all of you for replying!

thanks soapbuddy, its an interesting website but I could not see any cream recipes? can you point me to the page?

Carebear, i use essential oils and vitamin e as natural preservatives. works great; of course the organic cream I make do not have a very long shelve life like the one chemically made but the shelve life is at least two months.
the butter I make can last up to one year since there is no water.

@ dagmar88 I find your comment rather ofensive...just stick to use your chemicals if they suit you. no need to scare poeple if they prefer natural products. I suggest you do a little bit of research, I have several books with natural recipes, I dont think they would be published if they were "hurting" poeple like you say... There are also more and more product on the market with no chemical preservatives. no need to reply I got no time for poeple like you.

deda,

I did not start making creams two week ago..just said I was trying new formulas...and was interested in getting ideas and sharing knowledge. isnt it what a forum is about!!??
however I am not interested in getting comment like you or dagmar so please delete my account asap.
thank you very much for your kind understanding.

Hi Everyone, I hope someone can help, I am new and very eager to make my first boby lotion!
I used the following ingredients:
- Beewax
- aloe vera
- coconut oil
- Jojoba oil
- rosehip oil
- glycerin
- essential oil of jasmin and bergamot.

I melted all those ingredients in a double pan, then whipped it with a whipper but he problem is that I cannot make all those ingredients turn into a cream, (white like a body cream), the ingredients when cooling down do not have the texture of a cream but more of a wax...

What am i missing here?!
Do I NEED to add borax or lanolin?
Is there anything I am not doing correctly.

Please help!!!
Thx you !

But you did post this on July 28....

Besides posting this last message, you've asked very basic lotion questions - something welcome here, but which make it clear you do not have expertise or practice in lotion. for example, you are not familiar with the concept of an emulsifier. nothing to be embarrassed about, but kinda key to mixing oils and water.

Perhaps you've worked with anhydrous systems in the past, and are expert on those, but add water, and it's a whole new arena.