High versus low water batches- more water traces faster?

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No, I LOVE all the soapy-sciencey stuff! I was utterly perplexed about the high water thickening up but now I want to see if it holds all the time. I'm not certain if I made it up or if at some point I heard about adding water to batter that has thickened too much, but according to your theory that would make it worse. Part of this stuff seems like magic to me because there are times everything seems the same but there is a different outcome. I'm out of chemistry type science for a long time but I do love to learn about it so please please, throw your theories out there, DeeAnna!
 
I agree, science is needed here. I had enough time to split, color, fragrance, pour, do design, let stiffen a little, spin swirl, then take leftover soap, pour lines of color into the leftover colorless batter for the burl look, and gently pour that at a medium trace just trying to start the thick trace stage.....all with 40% lye concentration.
I'm with you, less water gives me plenty of time to work!
 
"...I'm not certain if I made it up or if at some point I heard about adding water to batter that has thickened too much, but according to your theory that would make it worse...."

It does seem to make sense to add water to thin out a too-thick batter. And probably for a bit the water does thin it out. The amount of thinning and the length of time the batter stays thin would probably be related to the amount of soap in the batter and who knows what.

Please keep in mind my soapy theories are just that ... ideas about what might be going on. I haven't done what you're doing, so I don't really know if my ideas correctly explain what's happening with your experiments with high and low water soaps.

On a related note, I salted out some soap scraps recently and really enjoyed watching all the weird and wacky things that soap does when you add salt or add water. It was seriously cool to see things I'd only read about up to that point. What soap does is not always what seems logical to my mind, and I would have been totally puzzled about what was going on, if I hadn't struggled through all those ancient soap making manuals that talk about this stuff.

Take advantage of my ideas if they help you and ignore them if they don't. I'm having a great time seeing your lovely soap artistry and following your determination to figure out this problem -- kudos to you!
 
Very beautiful! It's understated and very classic look. Sophisticated and classy, definitely a great color combination.
 
WEll, I tried again. This time I made two oil batches, each with their own lye water, one high water and one low. I have been wondering what role my recipe plays in this as it is over 60% hard oils. DId the low water get thicker when everything was under 70 degrees because of those hard oils? I felt suspicious when the cups didn't get even a touch warm, as my soap usually does when mixed with lye.

This time I soaped with the oils very warm and the lye water was warm. I used 5 colors, each with a high and low water portions, so I was working with 10 cups. After hitting emulsions, I poured all the batter out. When I'm working with a number of colors/cups, I tend to act like an automaton and just go down the assembly line. I think I'm pretty consistent in my timing with each cup. Added my colors and used my Badger paint mixer (whoever rec'd that has my eternal gratitude. Bonus: all the attachments from my other frothers/mixers fit on the Badger so I've got loads of options) to mix everything in, then went back and stirred each with a straw to get all the batter from the sides mixed in. High water came to a light trace and the low batter was very thin and liquid. I went down the low water side and mixed each color for a good 15 seconds with the best mixer attachment and I made certain to stir each highwater color a few times with the straw so it was not sitting still for too long. No trace. I had to go back over each low water cup 3 times, blending each with the mixer for 10-15 seconds each time and giving a stir to the high water ones. The high water ones were thickening a little more and I never got a light trace from the low water ones when I decided to just go ahead and pour. The high water batter was heavy cream-pancake batter consistency and the low water was like pouring olive oil. In the mold, the whole thing was extremely fluid. Swirled and spun.

Tonight I made a small batch but just with low water. Again, I soaped with the oils warm and this time the lye was just barely warm. I blended the colors for forever and got impatient trying to get to trace. Had tons of time.

I wonder if the low water trick might work well for recipes that are higher in solid oils. I don't generally make any recipes that are largely liquid oils so have not tested that, but this has been pretty consistent, except in the situation of soaping cool. I would love to hear if anyone else tries this. I know you said you work with a high solids recipe, Carolyn. I would love to hear if you try a small batch using low water (I've been using 1:1.4 lye to water, for the record.) and what your experience is.
 
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