Dried fruit

[Samuel Ciganik]

Hi. I am wondering if I can dry/dehydrate fruit (like on photo) than ground it to powder and than us it for soap recipe. It is okay or it is not good idea. Thank you very much.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0405/5446/3391/files/Dehydrated-Fruit.jpg?v=1607387478

 

[Bubz]

I haven't personally done that but I would be concerned about it turning brown potentially or even molding.

What were you hoping to achieve by adding it? Color? Exfoliant?

 

[KiwiMoose]

I use ground orange peel in some of my soap as an exfoliant. I buy it already dehydrated and ground up. If your fruit is not going to be an exfoliant (such as the orange peel), then what purpose would it serve?

 

[Bubz]

I use ground orange peel in some of my soap as an exfoliant. I buy it already dehydrated and ground up. If your fruit is not going to be an exfoliant (such as the orange peel), then what purpose would it serve?

Do you have a picture handy of what it looks like in the finished soap?

 

[Samuel Ciganik]

I use ground orange peel in some of my soap as an exfoliant. I buy it already dehydrated and ground up. If your fruit is not going to be an exfoliant (such as the orange peel), then what purpose would it serve?

I am absolutely beginner. So I want to use my soap also as showering soap not only for hands wash when I will go eat etc. So I thought I can add some fruit and use their nutrients for skin care. If it is possible. As I said I am behinner so I need to find as much informations as is possible. I also made my first soap with grounded orange peels but cutting is not so smooth. Can it be because I used too thick wire? Thanks.

 

[ewhitake]

I use ground orange peel in some of my soap as an exfoliant. I buy it already dehydrated and ground up. If your fruit is not going to be an exfoliant (such as the orange peel), then what purpose would it serve?

I recently started viewing a Nordic soapers channel-Tellervo. . They were using grapefruit juice and dried peel in this soap. I can understand the peel but what of the juice would survive saponification? Or is this just label appeal?

 

[AliensrReal]

I recently started viewing a Nordic soapers channel-Tellervo. . They were using grapefruit juice and dried peel in this soap. I can understand the peel but what of the juice would survive saponification? Or is this just label appeal?

Its label appeal for the grapefruit juice and doesn’t really add anything to the soap. It sure looks cool to think there’s juice in your soap.

 

[KiwiMoose]

Its label appeal for the grapefruit juice and doesn’t really add anything to the soap. It sure looks cool to think there’s juice in your soap.

You do have to calculate the extra lye required when using citrus juice. The acid will neutralise some of the lye.

 

[AliOop]

You do have to calculate the extra lye required when using citrus juice. The acid will neutralise some of the lye.

... and that citric acid becomes sodium citrate (a chelator).

 

[flyingpike]

When fruit powder make contact with the lye solution it will burn immediately. Is there a solution to prevent the burning?

Also dark spots will show up the day after. How to avoid fruit powder from being burned by the lye solution?

 

[Ekuzo]

I am absolutely beginner. So I want to use my soap also as showering soap not only for hands wash when I will go eat etc. So I thought I can add some fruit and use their nutrients for skin care. If it is possible. As I said I am behinner so I need to find as much informations as is possible. I also made my first soap with grounded orange peels but cutting is not so smooth. Can it be because I used too thick wire? Thanks.

I don't think adding stuff like fruits will benefit the soap, some people may use it for label appeal. And most often than not such stuff discolors.

Maybe you are cutting when the loaf is too hard and the wire doesn't glide smoothly? How wide is it (the wire)?

Or maybe the peel is not finely ground enough and it gets in the way when you cut, resulting in those 'waves'?

You do have to calculate the extra lye required when using citrus juice. The acid will neutralise some of the lye.

Or you can lower the SF and let it add to it naturally, without bothering with math. I'm only saying this because some calculators do show how much NaOH gets consumed by citric acid (for example), but don't have info about the acidic content in juices, (which can vary greatly), making it hard to calculate manually.

For example, using lime or lemon juice (both high in citric acid) as a full water replacement in a recipe with 0% SF and 40% lye concentration will result in soap with SF in the range of 3-6% in most cases (of course, depending on your particular recipe). It would be nice to know exactly how much citric acid a bottle of the juice we bought or squeezed contains to be more precise with the recipe, but the average soaper can't determine that, unfortunately - it's a guessing game.

When fruit powder make contact with the lye solution it will burn immediately. Is there a solution to prevent the burning?

How about splitting the water between the powder and the NaOH? Dissolving both in separate containers, then mixing the two?

Also dark spots will show up the day after. How to avoid fruit powder from being burned by the lye solution?

Maybe fruit powder is just prone to that no matter what you do. Or maybe it depends on the fruit. I think ALJ powder doesn't act that way, from what I've heard

 

[flyingpike]

I don't think adding stuff like fruits will benefit the soap, some people may use it for label appeal. And most often than not such stuff discolors.

Maybe you are cutting when the loaf is too hard and the wire doesn't glide smoothly? How wide is it (the wire)?

Or maybe the peel is not finely ground enough and it gets in the way when you cut, resulting in those 'waves'?


Or you can lower the SF and let it add to it naturally, without bothering with math. I'm only saying this because some calculators do show how much NaOH gets consumed by citric acid (for example), but don't have info about the acidic content in juices, (which can vary greatly), making it hard to calculate manually.

For example, using lime or lemon juice (both high in citric acid) as a full water replacement in a recipe with 0% SF and 40% lye concentration will result in soap with SF in the range of 3-6% in most cases (of course, depending on your particular recipe). It would be nice to know exactly how much citric acid a bottle of the juice we bought or squeezed contains to be more precise with the recipe, but the average soaper can't determine that, unfortunately - it's a guessing game.


How about splitting the water between the powder and the NaOH? Dissolving both in separate containers, then mixing the two?


Maybe fruit powder is just prone to that no matter what you do. Or maybe it depends on the fruit. I think ALJ powder doesn't act that way, from what I've heard

I don't think adding stuff like fruits will benefit the soap, some people may use it for label appeal. And most often than not such stuff discolors.

Maybe you are cutting when the loaf is too hard and the wire doesn't glide smoothly? How wide is it (the wire)?

Or maybe the peel is not finely ground enough and it gets in the way when you cut, resulting in those 'waves'?


Or you can lower the SF and let it add to it naturally, without bothering with math. I'm only saying this because some calculators do show how much NaOH gets consumed by citric acid (for example), but don't have info about the acidic content in juices, (which can vary greatly), making it hard to calculate manually.

For example, using lime or lemon juice (both high in citric acid) as a full water replacement in a recipe with 0% SF and 40% lye concentration will result in soap with SF in the range of 3-6% in most cases (of course, depending on your particular recipe). It would be nice to know exactly how much citric acid a bottle of the juice we bought or squeezed contains to be more precise with the recipe, but the average soaper can't determine that, unfortunately - it's a guessing game.


How about splitting the water between the powder and the NaOH? Dissolving both in separate containers, then mixing the two?


Maybe fruit powder is just prone to that no matter what you do. Or maybe it depends on the fruit. I think ALJ powder doesn't act that way, from what I've heard

I think, better to avoid fruit powders. Thank you

 

[Ekuzo]

I think, better to avoid fruit powders. Thank you

Now I saw I made a mistake - I typed ALJ instead of AVJ... plus the aloe vera juice is not from the fruit of the plant, but the content of the leaves - but you got my point, it's not that far from what you were trying. I mentioned it because people say they use both forms (actual chilled juice and powder) with no issue as a lather booster