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AshleyR

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I'm thinking I may just order some lotion, body butter, and lip balm bases. I'm just getting into soapmaking and don't want to overwhelm myself too much by trying to make everything all at once, so I think bases would be easier for me to work with right now.

Does anyone else here use bath and body bases? Do you sell your products that are made from them?

I'm hoping by next year around this time I can maybe set up at my local craft show. I'm going to focus mainly on soap, but may have a little b&b stuff too. Do people care if you use bases when they're buying from you?
 
Hi there, I'm new to this forum however, i am pretty educate on bath butters ad lotions and can tell you honestly that spending money on body butter bases and lotion bases is incredibly expensive over a period of time and is just not worth it. Making lotions and body butters is easier than making melt and pour soap and sugar scrubs actually!

To make lotion simply combine an equal amount of water and oils of your choice in a bowl and warm them up. Then in a separate bowl warm up liquid licithin and e-wax. While the oil and water mixture is still warm combine the hot licithin, and e-wax mixture with the oil and water mixture and blend with a stick blender. The end result will be a watery whitish looking combination. Allow the mixture to set for a few minutes (maybe 30 minutes or so) and voila! You've got lotion!

Here is a simple recipe to start you off.

Part A: 1/2 cup soybean oil
1/2 cup water


Part B: 1 tsp of liquid licithin
2 tbsp of e-wax

You can add vitamin E, and essential oils to preserve the lotion. Keep in mind that anything with water can spoil quite quickly, so what I usually do is invest in a TONER base (for the skin) as a replacement for water. That way I get the benefits of a pre-made toner without having to add a preservative. After you make your lotion, if you find your lotion not conditioning enough, you can add more oil to your lotion and then add polysorbate 20 (emulsifier aka: product life saver :lol: ) when the mixture separates.

As for body butters you can just warm mango butter, shea butter, and evening primrose oil in a bowl and allow it to set. Then whip it well and you have your own body butter! The only thing that is time consuming, IMO is cp soap. So if I were you I would simply invest in mp soap, a toner base for the skin and essential oils, liquid licithin, carrier oils, polysorbate 20, and e-wax. That's really all you need. Some people make lotion sound so difficult to make but it is actually VERY easy. You can send me a message if you need any further assistance I would be happy to help you out. Also, a good thickener is arrowroot and structure xL if you prefer your lotion to be thicker.

PS: I don't think people generally care whether you are using a lotion or body butter base to make their products, however, it's not something that you HAVE to tell them (and I personally wouldn't). People buy from you out of convenience and because they don't know that you can purchase a lotion base in bulk (if they did they would just buy the lotion in bulk instead of purchasing from you).

UPDATE: As I believe I've stated before, lotion making is not as nearly as difficult as it is made out to be. So please do not be discouraged. Just for clarification...my instructions were in reference to the actual formulation of a lotion, which is why I didn't include hair net, gloves ect. As far as preserving a product is concerned vitamin E, rosemary, and grapefruit seed extract (for example) HAVE been found to prolong the shelf life of products (which was what my statement was in regard to) and many product lines that are sold in stores use these as preservatives as well as utilizing the antimicrobial benefits of essential oils, though I did mention that I personally use a toner base so I don't have to worry about water (though I do add phenoxethanol, which is just my own personal preference). In fact, I can list a plethora of organic product lines sold in Whole Food stores that refrain from using typical chemical preservatives in favor of a combination of natural antimicrobials and antioxidants. There has even been talk of these natural alternatives being used in food in replacement of chemical based preservatives. So to be clear I am not discouraging your use of a preservative or telling you NOT to use a preservative...I'm telling you what can be an alternative. There ARE alternatives, btw. So yes, you can actually use vitamin E and certain essential oils, but I suggest you use a toner base if you do not want to worry about water yourself.

I've been making lotions for years now and have never had an issue with bacteria growth, but I've noticed that no one else has offered step by step instructions, so by all means if anyone has better tips feel free to post instead of critiquing what has worked just fine for me.

AshleyR: You can use a preservative of your choice however, many people are skeptical of many preservatives used in products which is why it is best for you to find a natural alternative so you wont prevent certain people from purchasing from you..so yes, research is key...but making a product is not as difficult, tedious, or "scary" as some people may make it seem.


AshleyR said:
I'm thinking I may just order some lotion, body butter, and lip balm bases. I'm just getting into soapmaking and don't want to overwhelm myself too much by trying to make everything all at once, so I think bases would be easier for me to work with right now.

Does anyone else here use bath and body bases? Do you sell your products that are made from them?

I'm hoping by next year around this time I can maybe set up at my local craft show. I'm going to focus mainly on soap, but may have a little b&b stuff too. Do people care if you use bases when they're buying from you?
 
Yep, I use a base from time to time. I use a lotion base from New Directions that I buy for $9/kg. That = $1.13 per 125g bottle. If I make a similar product, it costs me $1.65 per 125g bottle in materials, then there is my time to make it.

I use bases for whatever I can't or won't make from scratch. At the moment, I have an aftershave lotion base coming, because I have an order for a mens gift pack. I'm not going to sell something I haven't made before, so I use a base.
 
I'd be real careful selling or even using/gifting any lotion that does not contain a preservative. for your own use, that's one thing, you can refrigerate it and use it quickly, but people let lotions sit a long time and things you can't see grow in there! you can get nasty skin infections. Also, AshleyR, the instructions to try making lotion should have included sanitizing your work area, equipment, utensils. Using hair net, gloves and a lab coat or other clothing that won't shed fuzzies. Vit E and essential oils do NOT preserve lotion, sorry. Vit E may keep the oils from going rancid too soon that's all. Making lotion is fun and rewarding, but do your research and start off the right way! enjoy.
 
luvinbeingmommy said:
Keep in mind that anything with water can spoil quite quickly, so what I usually do is invest in a TONER base (for the skin) as a replacement for water. That way I get the benefits of a pre-made toner without having to add a preservative.
I'm sorry to tell you but the preservative in the toner is adequate only for the toner. As soon as you significantly change the formulation then you need to re-think (and re-do) the preservative for the new system. Simply using a preserved product as an ingredient in your lotion will not protect your lotion from spoilage.

Even if you make it for yourself, preserve it properly.
 
Becky said:
Yep, I use a base from time to time. I use a lotion base from New Directions that I buy for $9/kg. That = $1.13 per 125g bottle. If I make a similar product, it costs me $1.65 per 125g bottle in materials, then there is my time to make it.

I use bases for whatever I can't or won't make from scratch. At the moment, I have an aftershave lotion base coming, because I have an order for a mens gift pack. I'm not going to sell something I haven't made before, so I use a base.

Ditto here.

If you plan to sell, it should also be mentioned that a new lotion formula you make yourself should be challenge tested for bacteria, mold & fungus. There are places on-line that will do it. It costs, but you MUST know that your formula, after adding preservative will not contain those beasties, & there's only one way to know that & that's to have it tested. You can not just assume because you used a preservative that your formula will be safe.

There are many preservatives out there, & they don't all perform the same. Some are specific to certain applications. Before you make lotions to sell, please do the research & use the proper preservative, & yes any lotion with water in the formula HAS to be preserved & you should be using distilled water.

Lotions may be easy to make, but they carry a HUGE liability, & you the seller are going to be held liable in court if someone gets an infection from your badly preserved lotion. All manufacturers of lotions have their recipes properly challenge tested before they go to market.

I see lots of lotions on etsy that don't list a preservative in the ingredients. I wouldn't put down a penny towards purchasing one of those!

All that being said, do you have liability insurance yet? If you're going to sell that's a must as well.
 
Hi Ashley,

I have been selling products for years and when I first started, I didn't have the time to formulate everything from scratch, so I bought a lotion base. I tweaked it by adding a few ingredients and then scented, colored, repackaged it and sold it under my label. Now I know how to make lotion from scratch but if I ever pulled my original lotion from my line my customers would probably string me up.

My point is, if you choose to start out using a premade base and it is that good, you might not be able to get away from it :)

Good luck to you, whether you choose to use a premade base or decide to wait and formulate your own lotion.

Marilyn
 
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