onugs
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Does anyone know an EO that comes close to Banana? I don't want to use FOs
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onugs
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No I don't think so lol. I thought there might be a mixture of EOs that comes close
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There is no such thing as banana EO that I know of. EO is not usually from an edible fruit is is usually from an oil in the seed, leaf, rind, a tree resin, bark, leaf, wood. Other than a juniper berry which is actually more like a seed, I don't think there are other berries or fruits like raspberry or blueberry or apple that have an EO to extract. On the other hand fragrance oils are often chemically made by man to replicate things like strawberry or banana scent, HTH ChristineMM
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They must have some, or you couldn't smell them. It may just not be cost effective to distill it separately. When you ferment them and distill their product into liqueur, you're getting what would've been in the EO mixed with alcohol-water.
Onugs, could you use a banana fruit concrete or extract? Not that I know anyone making that, just looking at possibilities. I'm assuming the banana flower and skin don't smell much like bananas--but maybe they do!
Onugs, could you use a banana fruit concrete or extract? Not that I know anyone making that, just looking at possibilities. I'm assuming the banana flower and skin don't smell much like bananas--but maybe they do!
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Well there is this, but I haven't tried it. LOL
http://www.ehow.com/how_8582508_extract-scent-banana-peelings.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_8582508_extract-scent-banana-peelings.html
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Nice you guys! 
Candybee
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You can use banana extract. You can probably find some at your local grocers too but it would be cheaper to find it wholesale. Extracts work great in CP.
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Depends on the extract. Most commercial cooking extracts contain alcohol which can cause your soap to seize.
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Good point.
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I'm curious has anyone ever tried this? Not sure I would use it in soap but might be nice in body butter or something.
Depends on the extract. Several people have posted in the past that some extracts' scents do not make it through saponification. I won't say all since I'm sure some have never been tested.
Also, you have to consider many of the fruit/nuts/plants aren't water soluble so a solvent must be used. Alcohol is used as a solvent for some but I couldn't tell you which ones other than vanilla. Alcohol can cause acceleration or seizing in soap. There are other solvents like propylene glycol and glycerin which are used, too. JMO but if someone is opposed to using fragrance oils because of chemicals then some extracts would also be in this category. You'd also have to purchase "true" extracts which are much more expensive than imitation extracts. But then there is still the issue of what solvent was used to produce the "true" extract.
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Also, you have to consider many of the fruit/nuts/plants aren't water soluble so a solvent must be used. Alcohol is used as a solvent for some but I couldn't tell you which ones other than vanilla. Alcohol can cause acceleration or seizing in soap. There are other solvents like propylene glycol and glycerin which are used, too. JMO but if someone is opposed to using fragrance oils because of chemicals then some extracts would also be in this category. You'd also have to purchase "true" extracts which are much more expensive than imitation extracts. But then there is still the issue of what solvent was used to produce the "true" extract.
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This is pretty interesting to research!
The banana oil linked in this thread is made by cold process. EO are usually from steam heat distillation. I know lime can be made by hand using a cold process and it also can be made from reagular heat steam distillation.
I read about the extracts and tried to shop for some. Just like with vanilla some extracts are synthetic (chemical replciations) such as the one sold by McCormick, while others are natural. One sold by Amazon by Batko brand, which is made from actual bananas has propolyne glycol which is toxic to humans according to the CDC - but I do not understand how to read these toxicity pages published by the government. For example they can sometimes mean when used outside the normal range of dose and method they are toxic. Here is that page:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=240
That Batko brand essences: I have seen that being sold at discount at Home Goods, TJ Maxx, Marshall's, right now they have them in my local store. They generally sell it in many flavors for baking, professionals use it more than home bakers, from August to Christmas (it sells out before Christmas) some are: vanilla, lemon, almond peppermint). I am a home baker but have never seen a recipe with it as an ingredient so didn't buy it. I was told by someone who worked in a restaurant that you use less of it than in the grocery store brands of almond extract. I don't know the ratio of substitution so never bought it but was temped. Am curious to know it can be used in soapmaking.
Thanks
The banana oil linked in this thread is made by cold process. EO are usually from steam heat distillation. I know lime can be made by hand using a cold process and it also can be made from reagular heat steam distillation.
I read about the extracts and tried to shop for some. Just like with vanilla some extracts are synthetic (chemical replciations) such as the one sold by McCormick, while others are natural. One sold by Amazon by Batko brand, which is made from actual bananas has propolyne glycol which is toxic to humans according to the CDC - but I do not understand how to read these toxicity pages published by the government. For example they can sometimes mean when used outside the normal range of dose and method they are toxic. Here is that page:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=240
That Batko brand essences: I have seen that being sold at discount at Home Goods, TJ Maxx, Marshall's, right now they have them in my local store. They generally sell it in many flavors for baking, professionals use it more than home bakers, from August to Christmas (it sells out before Christmas) some are: vanilla, lemon, almond peppermint). I am a home baker but have never seen a recipe with it as an ingredient so didn't buy it. I was told by someone who worked in a restaurant that you use less of it than in the grocery store brands of almond extract. I don't know the ratio of substitution so never bought it but was temped. Am curious to know it can be used in soapmaking.
Thanks
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